Using Clouds for too long might have made you incompetent
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My take on how a decade (or more) of using cloud services for everything has seemingly deskilled the workforce.
Just recently I found myself interviewing senior security engineers just to realize that in many cases they had absolutely no idea about how the stuff they supposedly worked with, actually worked.
This all made me wonder, is it possible that over-reliance on cloud services for everything has massively deskilled the engineering workforce? And if it is so, who is going to be the European clouds, so necessary for EU's digital sovereignty?
I did not copy-paste the post in here because of the different writing style, but I get no benefit whatsoever from website visits.
That has been my experience with security people, too. They are button pushers and copy pasters. But I don't think it's cloud computing causing it. They were like that before clouds.
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That and also - humans not knowing something can man up and learn it. When they need, they'll learn.
And OP's question about European clouds - it depends really. A lot of what this endeavor needs is just advanced use of OpenStack. I'm confident there are plenty of people with such skills in the EU countries.
As for the post content - I dunno, my experience with Kubernetes consists of using it, but not trying to understand or touch it too closely, because it stinks. Maybe those engineers were like that too.
When they need, they'll learn.
100% agree. But.
If you are a principal engineer claiming to have experience hardening the thing, you would expect that learning to have already happened.
Also, I would be absolutely fine with "I never had a chance to dig into this specifically, I just know it at a high level" answer. Why coming up with bs?Maybe those engineers were like that too.
I mean, we are talking about people whose whole career was around Kubernetes, so I don't think so?
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You were at screening level #1. When I applied for work in Manhattan in 1988 it was like that: 9/10 jobs you applied to weren't the actual employer, they were agents building a pool of candidates to be able to present to the actual employers at a moment's notice if the employer should ever actually call asking for candidates.
Today I bet it's rare to get hired without at least 3 screenings before you actually meet the people you might be working with.
Maybe, but that doesn't quite track with what I experienced. It was for a fairly well known company that builds industrial tools and machines, and I interviewed at their HQ, so I don't think it was an agency building a pool.
The screening part sounds right, but I think these guys were doing it in-house.
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That has been my experience with security people, too. They are button pushers and copy pasters. But I don't think it's cloud computing causing it. They were like that before clouds.
Yeah, they are frequently just parroting things like CVE notices as highlighted by a fairly stupid scanning tool.
The security ecosystem has been long diluted because no one wants to doubt a "security" person and be wrong, and over time that has made a pretty soft context for people to get credibility as a security person.
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My take on how a decade (or more) of using cloud services for everything has seemingly deskilled the workforce.
Just recently I found myself interviewing senior security engineers just to realize that in many cases they had absolutely no idea about how the stuff they supposedly worked with, actually worked.
This all made me wonder, is it possible that over-reliance on cloud services for everything has massively deskilled the engineering workforce? And if it is so, who is going to be the European clouds, so necessary for EU's digital sovereignty?
I did not copy-paste the post in here because of the different writing style, but I get no benefit whatsoever from website visits.
Nah brah, knah waddahma? Running my own Nextcloud instance is basically what drove me to become a linux novice.
I used to be a windows gamer. Now I run my own home-LLM server for the self hosted cloud assistant.
People should try, it's fun!
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Nah brah, knah waddahma? Running my own Nextcloud instance is basically what drove me to become a linux novice.
I used to be a windows gamer. Now I run my own home-LLM server for the self hosted cloud assistant.
People should try, it's fun!
Juat as a reality check:
What you and me consider fun isnt fun for most outside of the lemmy techie bubble. -
Maybe, but that doesn't quite track with what I experienced. It was for a fairly well known company that builds industrial tools and machines, and I interviewed at their HQ, so I don't think it was an agency building a pool.
The screening part sounds right, but I think these guys were doing it in-house.
That tracks with expectations. Many larger companies don't use external recruiters at all, I'd guess the threshold is probably around 10,000 employees - more or less - above that they'll have it vertically integrated in-house.
I've worked with a 100,000 employee company where HR will pre-screen candidates at job fair type interviews, just to file them away against potential future openings. They won't usually task actual staff with doing interviews for openings that aren't funded, though sometimes it feels like they are doing that - sending so many bad-fit candidates that it takes us 8-10 to find one that might possibly be a net-positive asset to the team.
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My take on how a decade (or more) of using cloud services for everything has seemingly deskilled the workforce.
Just recently I found myself interviewing senior security engineers just to realize that in many cases they had absolutely no idea about how the stuff they supposedly worked with, actually worked.
This all made me wonder, is it possible that over-reliance on cloud services for everything has massively deskilled the engineering workforce? And if it is so, who is going to be the European clouds, so necessary for EU's digital sovereignty?
I did not copy-paste the post in here because of the different writing style, but I get no benefit whatsoever from website visits.
nah, I was incompetent long before cloud services.
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When they need, they'll learn.
100% agree. But.
If you are a principal engineer claiming to have experience hardening the thing, you would expect that learning to have already happened.
Also, I would be absolutely fine with "I never had a chance to dig into this specifically, I just know it at a high level" answer. Why coming up with bs?Maybe those engineers were like that too.
I mean, we are talking about people whose whole career was around Kubernetes, so I don't think so?
Ah. OK. Yep, people lie in their CV's.
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Juat as a reality check:
What you and me consider fun isnt fun for most outside of the lemmy techie bubble.Haber most people reconsidered what they consider fun though?
They're missing out!
