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Kids are making deepfakes of each other, and laws aren’t keeping up

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  • Schools and lawmakers are grappling with how to address a new form of peer-on-peer image-based sexual abuse that disproportionately targets girls.

    Maybe let's assume all digital images are fake and go back to painting. Wait... what if children start painting deepfakes ?

  • No. That’s not a good enough excuse to potentially be abusing children.

    It's good enough for the person whose opinion counts, your doesn't. And there's no such potential.

    I can’t think of a single good reason to draw those kinds of things. Like at all.

    Too bad.

    Please, give me a single good reason.

    To reinforce that your opinion doesn't count is in itself a good reason. The best of them all really.

    Okay so you have no reason. Which is because having sexually explicit images, drawn or otherwise, is gross and weird and disturbing. And the fact that you are continually doubling down shows me that you likely need your hard drives and notebooks checked.

    Please don't respond again unless you are telling me what country you are from so I can report you to the appropriate authorities.

  • Okay so you have no reason. Which is because having sexually explicit images, drawn or otherwise, is gross and weird and disturbing. And the fact that you are continually doubling down shows me that you likely need your hard drives and notebooks checked.

    Please don't respond again unless you are telling me what country you are from so I can report you to the appropriate authorities.

    People don't need reasons to do things gross or disturbing or whatever for you in their own space.

    And the fact that you are continually doubling down shows me that you likely need your hard drives and notebooks checked.

    Thankfully that's not your concern, and would get you in jail if you tried to do that yourself. Also I'm too lazy for my porn habits to be secret enough, LOL.

    Please don’t respond again unless you are telling me what country you are from so I can report you to the appropriate authorities.

    I don't think you understand. You're the fiend here. The kind of obnoxious shit that thinks it's in their right to watch after others' morality.

    I wonder, what if I'd try to report you and someone would follow through (unlikely, of course, without anything specific to report), hypothetically, which instances of stalking and privacy violations they'd find?

    You really seem the kind.

  • Do you believe that finding out that, there is an entire group of people who you thought were your friends but are in actuality taking pictures of your head and masturbating to the idea of you performing sex acts for them using alorthimically derived likenesses of your naked body, has no psychological consequences for you whatsoever?

    Do you think the consequences of finding out are significantly different than finding out they're doing it in their imagination? If so, why?

    Youre essentially saying that men and boys can’t be expected to treat girls and women as actual people and instead must be allowed to turn their friends and peers into fetishized media content they can share amongst each other.

    And, just to be clear, by this you mean the stuff with pictures, not talking or thinking about them? Because, again, the words "media content" just don't seem to be key to any harm being done.

    Your approach is consistently to say that "this is harmful, this is disgusting", but not to say why. Likewise you say that the "metaphors are not at all applicable" but you don't say at all what the important difference is between "people who you thought were your friends but are in actuality taking pictures of your head and masturbating to the idea of you performing sex acts for them using alorthimically derived likenesses of your naked body" and "people who you thought were your friends but are in actuality imagining your head and masturbating to the idea of you performing sex acts for them using imagined likenesses of your naked body". Both acts are sexualisation, both are done without consent, both could cause poor treatment by the people doing it.

    I see two possiblities - either you see this as so obviously and fundamentally wrong you don't have a way of describing way, or you know that the two scenarios are fundamentally similar but know that the idea of thought-crime is unsustainable.

    Finally it's necessary to address the gendered way you're talking about this. While obviously there is a huge discrepancy in male perpetrators and female victims of sexual abuse and crimes, it makes it sound like you think this is only a problem because, or when, it affects women and girls. You should probably think about that, because for years we've been making deserved progress at making things gender-neutral and I doubt you'd accept this kind of thing in other areas.

    There is an institution in society specifically designed to strip women of their autonomy, reduce them down to their sexual appeal to men, and proliferate the notions of their inherent submission to men. This simply does not exist the other way. This will not be a major problem for boys, teenage girls are not creating fucking AI porn rings with pictures of boys from their classes. That isnt happening. Will someone do it? Almost certainly. Is it a systemic issue? No. Men's bodies are not attacked institutionally in this way.

    And youre still trying to equate imagination with physical tangible media. And to be clear, if several of my friends said they were collectively beating off to the idea of me naked, I would be horrified and disgusted. The overwhelming majority of people would. Again, they've taken you an actual person they know and are friends with, and have turned you into a sexual goal to be attained. It is invasive, exploitative, and above all else dehumanizing. Yeah if even one of my friends told me he jerked off to the thought of me naked I would never see him the same way again and would stop being friends with him. If I was a teenager it would probably fuck me up pretty bad to know that someone who I thought was my friend just saw me as a collection of sexual body parts with a face attached. If I found that a whole group of boys, some who i might not even know, were sharing AI generated porn with my face it would be severely psychologically traumatizing and probably shake my trust in men and boys for the rest of my life. This isn't a fucking game. Youre acting like this is normal, its NOT FUCKING NORMAL. Photoshopping a girl in your classes face onto a nude body and sharing it with a group of boys is NOT NORMAL. That is severely disturbed behavior. That shows a complete malfunction in your empathy. It does if thats your imagination too. And finding that out, that somebody has done that, is absolutely repulsive.

    And no I find it perfectly sustainable. We have no means by which to detect pedophiles by their thoughts. But pedophilic thoughts are still wrong and are not something we tolerate people expressing. Creating CSAM is still illegal, whether or not the child is aware such content is being created of them. They cant consent to that as they are children. This is the same. No we cant fucking read people's thoughts and punish them for them. Having thoughts like that is absolutely a sign of some obsessive tendencies and already forming devaluation of women and girls and reduction of them to their bodies, but the correct thing is for them to receive counseling and proper education about sex and relationships. Creating, sharing and distributing AI generated porn of someone is so fundamentally different from that I have to think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about what an image is. This isnt a fucking thought. These boys and men can do whatever they want with this pornography they've made of you, can send it to whoever they want and share it as far and wide as they want. They have literally created porn of you without your consent. And for teenage girls this is a whole other level of fucked up. This is being used to produce CSAM. They cannot consent to this. It is a provable act of violation of women and girls. This should be illegal and should be treated extremely seriously when teenage boys are found to have done it.

    You all say youre feminists until someone comes after your fucked up sexualities and your porn addictions. Always the same.

  • The author of those comments wrote a few times what in their opinion happens in the heads of others and how that should be prevented or something.

    Can you please stop interpreting my words exactly the way you like? That's not worth a gram of horse shit.

    Yes I can, moreso after your clarification. I must have misread it the first time. Sorry.

  • Take a look at InvokeAI.

    Thanks. Rather than everyone downvoting for no real reason. Finally someone was atleast trying to be helpful. I will use it for super simple business card proofs or basic brochures that's about it. Magnets, etc.

  • Yeah, I agree, we shouldn’t ruin the boys life, we should ruins his whole family to many times the extent something like this ruins a teen girl’s life.

    You're a fucking asshole. This isn't like prosecuting parents who let a school shooter have access to guns. The interenet is everywhere. Parents are responsible for bringing up their children to be socially responsible. A thirteen year old kid is anything but responsible (I mean their mentality / maturity, I'm not giving them a pass).

    Go hang out with conservatives who want more policing. Over here, we'll talk about social programs you fucking prick.

    I am an asshole, that's never been in question, and I fully own it. Having said that, no amount of "social programs" is going to have any effect if fucking parents don't raise their kids right.

    I'm entirely against surveillance, except when it comes to parents and keeping a close eye on everything their kids watch, browse or otherwise access (evidently making it known to the kids that "I can see EVERYTHING you see and do").

    So, yeah, hang the imbecile parents that should not have had kids in the first place because a fucking social program or school would raise them instead. Fuck off.

  • probably because there's a rapist in the white house.

    At least they've learned a skill?

  • Schools and lawmakers are grappling with how to address a new form of peer-on-peer image-based sexual abuse that disproportionately targets girls.

    anyone using any kind of AI either doesn't know how consent works-- or they don't care about it.

    a horrifying development in the intersection of technofascism and rape culture

  • Parents are responsible for their kids. The punishment, with the full force of the law (and maybe something extra for good measure), should fall upon the parents, since they should have made sure their kids knew how despicable and illegal doing this is.

    Yeah, I agree, we shouldn't ruin the boys life, we should ruins his whole family to many times the extent something like this ruins a teen girl's life.

    Teenagers are old enough to understand consequences.

    In fact, my neighborhood nearly burned down last week because a teenager, despite being told "no" and "stop" multiple times - including by neighbors - decided to light off fireworks on the mountainside right behind the neighborhood.

    Red arrow is my house. We were damn lucky the wind was blowing the right direction. If this had happened the day before, the neighborhood would be gone.

  • I am an asshole, that's never been in question, and I fully own it. Having said that, no amount of "social programs" is going to have any effect if fucking parents don't raise their kids right.

    I'm entirely against surveillance, except when it comes to parents and keeping a close eye on everything their kids watch, browse or otherwise access (evidently making it known to the kids that "I can see EVERYTHING you see and do").

    So, yeah, hang the imbecile parents that should not have had kids in the first place because a fucking social program or school would raise them instead. Fuck off.

    social program

    And thanks to the assholes in Congress who just passed the Big Betrayal Bill, those are all going away.

  • That's just called the outside now. Assume you are on camera at all times the moment you step out the front door. To be safe in the surveillance we live in today, best act as though you are being recorded in your own home as well.

    best act as though you are being recorded in your own home as well.

    If you don't know, don't try? Seems a bit defeatist.

    There's also the matter of "you" the NPC and well... "You".

    You can rest easy knowing Trump knows you're at work, but not the contents of the monologue you gave on Palestine on a political XMPP chatroom.

  • Yes I can, moreso after your clarification. I must have misread it the first time. Sorry.

    Sorry for my tone too, I get dysphoric-defensive very easily (as have been illustrated).

  • Schools and lawmakers are grappling with how to address a new form of peer-on-peer image-based sexual abuse that disproportionately targets girls.

    Deepfakes might end up being the modern version of a bikini. In the olden days, people wore these to the beach. Having less was scandalous and moral decay. Yet, now we wear much less.

    Our grandchildren might simply not give a damn about their nudity, because it is assumed that everyone is deepfaking everyone.

  • Schools and lawmakers are grappling with how to address a new form of peer-on-peer image-based sexual abuse that disproportionately targets girls.

  • anyone using any kind of AI either doesn't know how consent works-- or they don't care about it.

    a horrifying development in the intersection of technofascism and rape culture

    Any AI? Every application? What kind of statement is this?

  • Deepfakes might end up being the modern version of a bikini. In the olden days, people wore these to the beach. Having less was scandalous and moral decay. Yet, now we wear much less.

    Our grandchildren might simply not give a damn about their nudity, because it is assumed that everyone is deepfaking everyone.

    These are all worn voluntarily. This issue isn’t about the equivalent of scandalously clad young girls, it’s like if girls were being involuntarily stripped of their clothing by their classmates. It’s not about modesty standards it’s about sexual abuse.

  • Any AI? Every application? What kind of statement is this?

    AI models (unless you're training your own) are usually trained on data it does not have a licence to use. The companies training these models are also notorious for ignoring robot.txt and other measures websites use to stop bots from trawling their data.

    Like in crypto, most people in AI are not nerds, just criminal scum.

  • Schools and lawmakers are grappling with how to address a new form of peer-on-peer image-based sexual abuse that disproportionately targets girls.

    Burkas for the win ?

  • Can't afford this much cheese today to find just the right slice for every bikini photo...

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    That is bullshit, the economy is created to force you into the labor market. This is just a symptom of capitalism.
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    It is a possibility. Thanks for the input!
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    Worked well for me. Although all the people I care about had already Signal, Element or Threema installed, so I am not a great pull factor. And those everyday moms from child care or from wherever can reach me via SMS, for the two messages/year.
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    Same on all counts.
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    Forgive me for not explaining better. Here are the terms potentially needing explanation. Provisioning in this case is initial system setup, the kind of stuff you would do manually after a fresh install, but usually implies a regimented and repeatable process. Virtual Machine (VM) snapshots are like a save state in a game, and are often used to reset a virtual machine to a particular known-working condition. Preboot Execution Environment (PXE, aka ‘network boot’) is a network adapter feature that lets you boot a physical machine from a hosted network image rather than the usual installation on locally attached storage. It’s probably tucked away in your BIOS settings, but many computers have the feature since it’s a common requirement in commercial deployments. As with the VM snapshot described above, a PXE image is typically a known-working state that resets on each boot. Non-virtualized means not using hardware virtualization, and I meant specifically not running inside a virtual machine. Local-only means without a network or just not booting from a network-hosted image. Telemetry refers to data collecting functionality. Most software has it. Windows has a lot. Telemetry isn’t necessarily bad since it can, for example, help reveal and resolve bugs and usability problems, but it is easily (and has often been) abused by data-hungry corporations like MS, so disabling it is an advisable precaution. MS = Microsoft OSS = Open Source Software Group policies are administrative settings in Windows that control standards (for stuff like security, power management, licensing, file system and settings access, etc.) for user groups on a machine or network. Most users stick with the defaults but you can edit these yourself for a greater degree of control. Docker lets you run software inside “containers” to isolate them from the rest of the environment, exposing and/or virtualizing just the resources they need to run, and Compose is a related tool for defining one or more of these containers, how they interact, etc. To my knowledge there is no one-to-one equivalent for Windows. Obviously, many of these concepts relate to IT work, as are the use-cases I had in mind, but the software is simple enough for the average user if you just pick one of the premade playbooks. (The Atlas playbook is popular among gamers, for example.) Edit: added explanations for docker and telemetry