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Kids are making deepfakes of each other, and laws aren’t keeping up

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  • In general, even up here in woke-ville, punishments have gotten a lot more strict for kids. There’s a lot more involvement of police, courts, jail. As a parent it causes me a lot of anxiety - whatever happened to school being a “sandbox” where a kid can make mistakes without adult consequences, without ruining their lives? Did that ever exist?

    it existed if society liked you enough.

    fascists just have a habit of tightening that belt smaller and smaller, is what’s going on.

  • Schools and lawmakers are grappling with how to address a new form of peer-on-peer image-based sexual abuse that disproportionately targets girls.

    Maybe let's assume all digital images are fake and go back to painting. Wait... what if children start painting deepfakes ?

  • No. That’s not a good enough excuse to potentially be abusing children.

    It's good enough for the person whose opinion counts, your doesn't. And there's no such potential.

    I can’t think of a single good reason to draw those kinds of things. Like at all.

    Too bad.

    Please, give me a single good reason.

    To reinforce that your opinion doesn't count is in itself a good reason. The best of them all really.

    Okay so you have no reason. Which is because having sexually explicit images, drawn or otherwise, is gross and weird and disturbing. And the fact that you are continually doubling down shows me that you likely need your hard drives and notebooks checked.

    Please don't respond again unless you are telling me what country you are from so I can report you to the appropriate authorities.

  • Okay so you have no reason. Which is because having sexually explicit images, drawn or otherwise, is gross and weird and disturbing. And the fact that you are continually doubling down shows me that you likely need your hard drives and notebooks checked.

    Please don't respond again unless you are telling me what country you are from so I can report you to the appropriate authorities.

    People don't need reasons to do things gross or disturbing or whatever for you in their own space.

    And the fact that you are continually doubling down shows me that you likely need your hard drives and notebooks checked.

    Thankfully that's not your concern, and would get you in jail if you tried to do that yourself. Also I'm too lazy for my porn habits to be secret enough, LOL.

    Please don’t respond again unless you are telling me what country you are from so I can report you to the appropriate authorities.

    I don't think you understand. You're the fiend here. The kind of obnoxious shit that thinks it's in their right to watch after others' morality.

    I wonder, what if I'd try to report you and someone would follow through (unlikely, of course, without anything specific to report), hypothetically, which instances of stalking and privacy violations they'd find?

    You really seem the kind.

  • Do you believe that finding out that, there is an entire group of people who you thought were your friends but are in actuality taking pictures of your head and masturbating to the idea of you performing sex acts for them using alorthimically derived likenesses of your naked body, has no psychological consequences for you whatsoever?

    Do you think the consequences of finding out are significantly different than finding out they're doing it in their imagination? If so, why?

    Youre essentially saying that men and boys can’t be expected to treat girls and women as actual people and instead must be allowed to turn their friends and peers into fetishized media content they can share amongst each other.

    And, just to be clear, by this you mean the stuff with pictures, not talking or thinking about them? Because, again, the words "media content" just don't seem to be key to any harm being done.

    Your approach is consistently to say that "this is harmful, this is disgusting", but not to say why. Likewise you say that the "metaphors are not at all applicable" but you don't say at all what the important difference is between "people who you thought were your friends but are in actuality taking pictures of your head and masturbating to the idea of you performing sex acts for them using alorthimically derived likenesses of your naked body" and "people who you thought were your friends but are in actuality imagining your head and masturbating to the idea of you performing sex acts for them using imagined likenesses of your naked body". Both acts are sexualisation, both are done without consent, both could cause poor treatment by the people doing it.

    I see two possiblities - either you see this as so obviously and fundamentally wrong you don't have a way of describing way, or you know that the two scenarios are fundamentally similar but know that the idea of thought-crime is unsustainable.

    Finally it's necessary to address the gendered way you're talking about this. While obviously there is a huge discrepancy in male perpetrators and female victims of sexual abuse and crimes, it makes it sound like you think this is only a problem because, or when, it affects women and girls. You should probably think about that, because for years we've been making deserved progress at making things gender-neutral and I doubt you'd accept this kind of thing in other areas.

    There is an institution in society specifically designed to strip women of their autonomy, reduce them down to their sexual appeal to men, and proliferate the notions of their inherent submission to men. This simply does not exist the other way. This will not be a major problem for boys, teenage girls are not creating fucking AI porn rings with pictures of boys from their classes. That isnt happening. Will someone do it? Almost certainly. Is it a systemic issue? No. Men's bodies are not attacked institutionally in this way.

    And youre still trying to equate imagination with physical tangible media. And to be clear, if several of my friends said they were collectively beating off to the idea of me naked, I would be horrified and disgusted. The overwhelming majority of people would. Again, they've taken you an actual person they know and are friends with, and have turned you into a sexual goal to be attained. It is invasive, exploitative, and above all else dehumanizing. Yeah if even one of my friends told me he jerked off to the thought of me naked I would never see him the same way again and would stop being friends with him. If I was a teenager it would probably fuck me up pretty bad to know that someone who I thought was my friend just saw me as a collection of sexual body parts with a face attached. If I found that a whole group of boys, some who i might not even know, were sharing AI generated porn with my face it would be severely psychologically traumatizing and probably shake my trust in men and boys for the rest of my life. This isn't a fucking game. Youre acting like this is normal, its NOT FUCKING NORMAL. Photoshopping a girl in your classes face onto a nude body and sharing it with a group of boys is NOT NORMAL. That is severely disturbed behavior. That shows a complete malfunction in your empathy. It does if thats your imagination too. And finding that out, that somebody has done that, is absolutely repulsive.

    And no I find it perfectly sustainable. We have no means by which to detect pedophiles by their thoughts. But pedophilic thoughts are still wrong and are not something we tolerate people expressing. Creating CSAM is still illegal, whether or not the child is aware such content is being created of them. They cant consent to that as they are children. This is the same. No we cant fucking read people's thoughts and punish them for them. Having thoughts like that is absolutely a sign of some obsessive tendencies and already forming devaluation of women and girls and reduction of them to their bodies, but the correct thing is for them to receive counseling and proper education about sex and relationships. Creating, sharing and distributing AI generated porn of someone is so fundamentally different from that I have to think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about what an image is. This isnt a fucking thought. These boys and men can do whatever they want with this pornography they've made of you, can send it to whoever they want and share it as far and wide as they want. They have literally created porn of you without your consent. And for teenage girls this is a whole other level of fucked up. This is being used to produce CSAM. They cannot consent to this. It is a provable act of violation of women and girls. This should be illegal and should be treated extremely seriously when teenage boys are found to have done it.

    You all say youre feminists until someone comes after your fucked up sexualities and your porn addictions. Always the same.

  • The author of those comments wrote a few times what in their opinion happens in the heads of others and how that should be prevented or something.

    Can you please stop interpreting my words exactly the way you like? That's not worth a gram of horse shit.

    Yes I can, moreso after your clarification. I must have misread it the first time. Sorry.

  • Take a look at InvokeAI.

    Thanks. Rather than everyone downvoting for no real reason. Finally someone was atleast trying to be helpful. I will use it for super simple business card proofs or basic brochures that's about it. Magnets, etc.

  • Yeah, I agree, we shouldn’t ruin the boys life, we should ruins his whole family to many times the extent something like this ruins a teen girl’s life.

    You're a fucking asshole. This isn't like prosecuting parents who let a school shooter have access to guns. The interenet is everywhere. Parents are responsible for bringing up their children to be socially responsible. A thirteen year old kid is anything but responsible (I mean their mentality / maturity, I'm not giving them a pass).

    Go hang out with conservatives who want more policing. Over here, we'll talk about social programs you fucking prick.

    I am an asshole, that's never been in question, and I fully own it. Having said that, no amount of "social programs" is going to have any effect if fucking parents don't raise their kids right.

    I'm entirely against surveillance, except when it comes to parents and keeping a close eye on everything their kids watch, browse or otherwise access (evidently making it known to the kids that "I can see EVERYTHING you see and do").

    So, yeah, hang the imbecile parents that should not have had kids in the first place because a fucking social program or school would raise them instead. Fuck off.

  • probably because there's a rapist in the white house.

    At least they've learned a skill?

  • Schools and lawmakers are grappling with how to address a new form of peer-on-peer image-based sexual abuse that disproportionately targets girls.

    anyone using any kind of AI either doesn't know how consent works-- or they don't care about it.

    a horrifying development in the intersection of technofascism and rape culture

  • Parents are responsible for their kids. The punishment, with the full force of the law (and maybe something extra for good measure), should fall upon the parents, since they should have made sure their kids knew how despicable and illegal doing this is.

    Yeah, I agree, we shouldn't ruin the boys life, we should ruins his whole family to many times the extent something like this ruins a teen girl's life.

    Teenagers are old enough to understand consequences.

    In fact, my neighborhood nearly burned down last week because a teenager, despite being told "no" and "stop" multiple times - including by neighbors - decided to light off fireworks on the mountainside right behind the neighborhood.

    Red arrow is my house. We were damn lucky the wind was blowing the right direction. If this had happened the day before, the neighborhood would be gone.

  • I am an asshole, that's never been in question, and I fully own it. Having said that, no amount of "social programs" is going to have any effect if fucking parents don't raise their kids right.

    I'm entirely against surveillance, except when it comes to parents and keeping a close eye on everything their kids watch, browse or otherwise access (evidently making it known to the kids that "I can see EVERYTHING you see and do").

    So, yeah, hang the imbecile parents that should not have had kids in the first place because a fucking social program or school would raise them instead. Fuck off.

    social program

    And thanks to the assholes in Congress who just passed the Big Betrayal Bill, those are all going away.

  • That's just called the outside now. Assume you are on camera at all times the moment you step out the front door. To be safe in the surveillance we live in today, best act as though you are being recorded in your own home as well.

    best act as though you are being recorded in your own home as well.

    If you don't know, don't try? Seems a bit defeatist.

    There's also the matter of "you" the NPC and well... "You".

    You can rest easy knowing Trump knows you're at work, but not the contents of the monologue you gave on Palestine on a political XMPP chatroom.

  • Yes I can, moreso after your clarification. I must have misread it the first time. Sorry.

    Sorry for my tone too, I get dysphoric-defensive very easily (as have been illustrated).

  • Schools and lawmakers are grappling with how to address a new form of peer-on-peer image-based sexual abuse that disproportionately targets girls.

    Deepfakes might end up being the modern version of a bikini. In the olden days, people wore these to the beach. Having less was scandalous and moral decay. Yet, now we wear much less.

    Our grandchildren might simply not give a damn about their nudity, because it is assumed that everyone is deepfaking everyone.

  • Schools and lawmakers are grappling with how to address a new form of peer-on-peer image-based sexual abuse that disproportionately targets girls.

  • anyone using any kind of AI either doesn't know how consent works-- or they don't care about it.

    a horrifying development in the intersection of technofascism and rape culture

    Any AI? Every application? What kind of statement is this?

  • Deepfakes might end up being the modern version of a bikini. In the olden days, people wore these to the beach. Having less was scandalous and moral decay. Yet, now we wear much less.

    Our grandchildren might simply not give a damn about their nudity, because it is assumed that everyone is deepfaking everyone.

    These are all worn voluntarily. This issue isn’t about the equivalent of scandalously clad young girls, it’s like if girls were being involuntarily stripped of their clothing by their classmates. It’s not about modesty standards it’s about sexual abuse.

  • Any AI? Every application? What kind of statement is this?

    AI models (unless you're training your own) are usually trained on data it does not have a licence to use. The companies training these models are also notorious for ignoring robot.txt and other measures websites use to stop bots from trawling their data.

    Like in crypto, most people in AI are not nerds, just criminal scum.

  • Schools and lawmakers are grappling with how to address a new form of peer-on-peer image-based sexual abuse that disproportionately targets girls.

    Burkas for the win ?

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    Welp, queue up some more multi-million dollar "donations" to have these cases dropped... Not like the TechBros don't have the funds. ‍️ ‍️
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    Thats what the firewall rules do too, don't allow internet connection if there's no vpn connection. Firewall is a system-wide solution that always works, while qbt config relies heavily on the application implementing interface binding properly. Which it doesn't fully btw.
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    Gemini is just a web replacement protocol. With basic things we remember from olden days Web, but with everything non-essential removed, for a client to be doable in a couple of days. I have my own Gemini viewer, LOL. This for me seems a completely different application from torrents. I was dreaming for a thing similar to torrent trackers for aggregating storage and computation and indexing and search, with search and aggregation and other services' responses being structured and standardized, and cryptographic identities, and some kind of market services to sell and buy storage and computation in unified and pooled, but transparent way (scripted by buyer\seller), similar to MMORPG markets, with the representation (what is a siloed service in modern web) being on the client native application, and those services allowing to build any kind of client-server huge system on them, that being global. But that's more of a global Facebook\Usenet\whatever, a killer of platforms. Their infrastructure is internal, while their representation is public on the Internet. I want to make infrastructure public on the Internet, and representation client-side, sharing it for many kinds of applications. Adding another layer to the OSI model, so to say, between transport and application layer. For this application: I think you could have some kind of Kademlia-based p2p with groups voluntarily joined (involving very huge groups) where nodes store replicas of partitions of group common data based on their pseudo-random identifiers and/or some kind of ring built from those identifiers, to balance storage and resilience. If a group has a creator, then you can have replication factor propagated signed by them, and membership too signed by them. But if having a creator (even with cryptographically delegated decisions) and propagating changes by them is not ok, then maybe just using whole data hash, or it's bittorrent-like info tree hash, as namespace with peers freely joining it can do. Then it may be better to partition not by parts of the whole piece, but by info tree? I guess making it exactly bittorrent-like is not a good idea, rather some kind of block tree, like for a filesystem, and a separate piece of information to lookup which file is in which blocks. If we are doing directory structure. Then, with freely joining it, there's no need in any owners or replication factors, I guess just pseudorandom distribution of hashes will do, and each node storing first partitions closest to its hash. Now thinking about it, such a system would be not that different from bittorrent and can even be interoperable with it. There's the issue of updates, yes, hence I've started with groups having hierarchy of creators, who can make or accept those updates. Having that and the ability to gradually store one group's data to another group, it should be possible to do forks of a certain state. But that line of thought makes reusing bittorrent only possible for part of the system. The whole database is guaranteed to be more than a normal HDD (1 TB? I dunno). Absolutely guaranteed, no doubt at all. 1 TB (for example) would be someone's collection of favorite stuff, and not too rich one.
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    It's a bit of a sticking point in Australia which is becoming more and more of a 'two-speed' society. Foxtel is for the rich classes, it caters to the right wing. Sky News is on Foxtel. These eSafety directives killing access to youtube won't affect those rich kids so much, but for everyone else it's going to be a nightmare. My only possible hope out of this is that maybe, Parliament and ACMA (Australian Communications and Media Authority, TV standards) decide that since we need a greater media landscape for kids and they can't be allowed to have it online, that maybe more than 3 major broadcasters could be allowed. It's not a lack of will that stops anyone else making a new free-to-air network, it's legislation, there are only allowed to be 3 commercial FTA broadcasters in any area. I don't love Youtube or the kids watching it, it's that the alternatives are almost objectively worse. 10 and 7 and garbage 24/7 and 9 is basically a right-wing hugbox too.
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    Can we get more than just a picture of an Abstract?
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    i like how ask photos is not just a dumb idea but it's also a dumb name
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    Worked with the US federal government for much of my professional career, mostly in an adversarial role. "reliable federal data sources" do not exist
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    How are they going to make money off of these projects if people can legally copy and redistribute them for free? The same reasons everyone doesn't already do this via pirating. You mean copy, not steal. When something is stolen from you, you no longer have it. Wow you are just a troll, thanks for showing me so I don't waste anymore time with you.