Duckstation(one of the most popular PS1 Emulators) dev plans on eventually dropping Linux support due to Linux users, especially Arch Linux users.
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It's open source, the package the developer chooses to distribute doesn't affect your ability to create whatever kind of package for your own system you want.
Except this developer has created license terms that forbids the creation of "packages", so he clearly does want to affect my ability to do just that.
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Except this developer has created license terms that forbids the creation of "packages", so he clearly does want to affect my ability to do just that.
His license only forbids forks. You are free to download, compile, and package it on your system in any way you want. If you aren't distributing it, it doesn't affect you.
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LoL Jesus Christ, you kids are not alright. XD complete lack of understanding of personal responsibility.
There's zero responsibility or liability on open source work. Specifically, this is licensed as CC BY-NC-ND 4.0, which has the following clauses:
Section 5 – Disclaimer of Warranties and Limitation of Liability.
a. Unless otherwise separately undertaken by the Licensor, to the extent possible, the Licensor offers the Licensed Material as-is and as-available, and makes no representations or warranties of any kind concerning the Licensed Material, whether express, implied, statutory, or other. This includes, without limitation, warranties of title, merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose, non-infringement, absence of latent or other defects, accuracy, or the presence or absence of errors, whether or not known or discoverable. Where disclaimers of warranties are not allowed in full or in part, this disclaimer may not apply to You
b. To the extent possible, in no event will the Licensor be liable to You on any legal theory (including, without limitation, negligence) or otherwise for any direct, special, indirect, incidental, consequential, punitive, exemplary, or other losses, costs, expenses, or damages arising out of this Public License or use of the Licensed Material, even if the Licensor has been advised of the possibility of such losses, costs, expenses, or damages. Where a limitation of liability is not allowed in full or in part, this limitation may not apply to You.
c. The disclaimer of warranties and limitation of liability provided above shall be interpreted in a manner that, to the extent possible, most closely approximates an absolute disclaimer and waiver of all liability.
Bref, the developer doesn't owe anyone anything beyond what is stated in the CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 license, the GitHub TOS and the local laws where the developer lives.
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I'll still be using it regardless..its not like its going to dissappear
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There's zero responsibility or liability on open source work. Specifically, this is licensed as CC BY-NC-ND 4.0, which has the following clauses:
Section 5 – Disclaimer of Warranties and Limitation of Liability.
a. Unless otherwise separately undertaken by the Licensor, to the extent possible, the Licensor offers the Licensed Material as-is and as-available, and makes no representations or warranties of any kind concerning the Licensed Material, whether express, implied, statutory, or other. This includes, without limitation, warranties of title, merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose, non-infringement, absence of latent or other defects, accuracy, or the presence or absence of errors, whether or not known or discoverable. Where disclaimers of warranties are not allowed in full or in part, this disclaimer may not apply to You
b. To the extent possible, in no event will the Licensor be liable to You on any legal theory (including, without limitation, negligence) or otherwise for any direct, special, indirect, incidental, consequential, punitive, exemplary, or other losses, costs, expenses, or damages arising out of this Public License or use of the Licensed Material, even if the Licensor has been advised of the possibility of such losses, costs, expenses, or damages. Where a limitation of liability is not allowed in full or in part, this limitation may not apply to You.
c. The disclaimer of warranties and limitation of liability provided above shall be interpreted in a manner that, to the extent possible, most closely approximates an absolute disclaimer and waiver of all liability.
Bref, the developer doesn't owe anyone anything beyond what is stated in the CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 license, the GitHub TOS and the local laws where the developer lives.
You don't seem to understand what I'm saying, but that's ok.
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You don't seem to understand what I'm saying, but that's ok.
No, I understand exactly what you're saying, you're stating that people doing free work owe you things, and I'm stating that the licence absolves them of all obligations you claim they have.
Besides, you have not stated on what basis the developer "owes" you support besides attacking them and other commenters in this thread on an ad hominem basis.
If you wanted guaranteed support, you could ask the original author if you can get a maintenance and support contract for their application, where the limits and costs of that support are outlined in the contract.
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I think he should just drop linux support.
no need to whine or complain.
"not doing linux builds anymore, here is the source, build it yourself if you want", done. -
It is still open source. The attempt at relicensing isn't legally valid. The consent of earlier contributors was not obtained.
No, the duckstation dev obtained the consent of contributors and/or rewrote all GPL code.
PlayStation 1 emulator DuckStation changes license for no commercial use and no derivatives
There's been a bit of a furore in the emulation community lately centred around the PlayStation 1 emulator DuckStation, which has now seen two license changes recently.
GamingOnLinux (www.gamingonlinux.com)
I have the approval of prior contributors, and if I did somehow miss you, then please advise me so I can rewrite that code. I didn't spend several weekends rewriting various parts for no reason. I do not have, nor want a CLA, because I do not agree with taking away contributor's copyright.
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No, I understand exactly what you're saying, you're stating that people doing free work owe you things, and I'm stating that the licence absolves them of all obligations you claim they have.
Besides, you have not stated on what basis the developer "owes" you support besides attacking them and other commenters in this thread on an ad hominem basis.
If you wanted guaranteed support, you could ask the original author if you can get a maintenance and support contract for their application, where the limits and costs of that support are outlined in the contract.
The first line is so completely, utterly wrong. XD thus not bothering with the rest.
Thanks for playing and better luck next time!
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The first line is so completely, utterly wrong. XD thus not bothering with the rest.
Thanks for playing and better luck next time!
Please explain how it is wrong.
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There's zero responsibility or liability on open source work. Specifically, this is licensed as CC BY-NC-ND 4.0, which has the following clauses:
Section 5 – Disclaimer of Warranties and Limitation of Liability.
a. Unless otherwise separately undertaken by the Licensor, to the extent possible, the Licensor offers the Licensed Material as-is and as-available, and makes no representations or warranties of any kind concerning the Licensed Material, whether express, implied, statutory, or other. This includes, without limitation, warranties of title, merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose, non-infringement, absence of latent or other defects, accuracy, or the presence or absence of errors, whether or not known or discoverable. Where disclaimers of warranties are not allowed in full or in part, this disclaimer may not apply to You
b. To the extent possible, in no event will the Licensor be liable to You on any legal theory (including, without limitation, negligence) or otherwise for any direct, special, indirect, incidental, consequential, punitive, exemplary, or other losses, costs, expenses, or damages arising out of this Public License or use of the Licensed Material, even if the Licensor has been advised of the possibility of such losses, costs, expenses, or damages. Where a limitation of liability is not allowed in full or in part, this limitation may not apply to You.
c. The disclaimer of warranties and limitation of liability provided above shall be interpreted in a manner that, to the extent possible, most closely approximates an absolute disclaimer and waiver of all liability.
Bref, the developer doesn't owe anyone anything beyond what is stated in the CC BY-NC-ND 4.0 license, the GitHub TOS and the local laws where the developer lives.
Dude seems like a troll, just quit feeding it, downvote him and move on. Engaging just makes them more persistently stupid.
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Dude seems like a troll, just quit feeding it, downvote him and move on. Engaging just makes them more persistently stupid.
Oh, 100% troll, I'm just enjoying watching them dig their own hole and run out of responses.
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Please explain how it is wrong.
Lol why? You don't give a shit. No one who has commented in this exchange does.
And that's fine as far as it goes, but let's not be disingenuous and pretend we're righteous.
Forget it, Jake. It's the internet.
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Lol why? You don't give a shit. No one who has commented in this exchange does.
And that's fine as far as it goes, but let's not be disingenuous and pretend we're righteous.
Forget it, Jake. It's the internet.
You've dodged my question. Please explain how what I've stated is wrong.
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You've dodged my question. Please explain how what I've stated is wrong.
Telling you I'm not going to answer you because I don't believe you care and it's a waste of at least my own time isn't dodging your question. I told you exactly. Waste of time.
I owe you nothing.
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Telling you I'm not going to answer you because I don't believe you care and it's a waste of at least my own time isn't dodging your question. I told you exactly. Waste of time.
I owe you nothing.
Then I don't know why you're here in the first place.
I suggest you delete your comments if you're going to attack people ad hominem by calling them a "cry baby" instead of clearly stating your opinion and refuse to have a conversation about it. You won't have people replying to you about a conversation you don't want to have.
As you said, it's a waste of your time, and a waste of everyone else's time.
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Then I don't know why you're here in the first place.
I suggest you delete your comments if you're going to attack people ad hominem by calling them a "cry baby" instead of clearly stating your opinion and refuse to have a conversation about it. You won't have people replying to you about a conversation you don't want to have.
As you said, it's a waste of your time, and a waste of everyone else's time.
No ad hominems here, buddy, even if that does sound fancy.
We are all free to engage or not as we like.
That's freedom, and of no one else's concern. I don't need permission from others to share my opinion, nor to withhold it.
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Oh yeah, this guy works for free and doesn't like getting reports for things that are beyond his control, this guy is a huge baby, fuck him for working for free!
You're not paying his salary, he doesn't owe you shit. No liability and all that.
People like you are why open source developers quit. They don't get paid for this, and when it's no longer pleasant, they stop doing work.
He could, you know... Ignore reports like that instead of dropping support entirely out of spite.
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Oh, 100% troll, I'm just enjoying watching them dig their own hole and run out of responses.
lol fantastic. Well as long as you are enjoying it too, by all means
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He could, you know... Ignore reports like that instead of dropping support entirely out of spite.
Well, yes, but triage is work.
I don't disagree that this could be handled better, but it's his decision if he no longer feels like Linux is worth supporting.
I don't know if he gets harassed for ignoring reports from downstream builds or what, but I know this was a problem for Bottles and OBS where users became very irate and rude in the bug reports because the downstream version was broken.
