ICEBlock climbs to the top of the App Store charts after officials slam it
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The devs don't really seem to have a clue about smartphone.
https://bsky.app/profile/grapheneos.org/post/3lt2prfb2vk2r...iOS forces uses Apple services including getting apps through Apple...
Can't speak to the rest of the claims, but Android practically does too. If one has to sideload an app, you've lost 99% of users, if not more.
It makes me suspect they're not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.
Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2501/
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Worse still it's not even clear what is being discussed. It implied "violence" but that is a wide range from just pushing to serious shooting.
% can also be misleading when a scale is arbitrary. A temperature increase measured in Fahrenheit will be a rather different % when converted to Kelvin.
We all know that cops will try to charge you with assaulting them if you so much as shrug while being arrested. And they'll contrive situations just so they can do that. I'd say that makes their statistics meaningless without specific details and proof.
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international VPNs are not immune from US subpoena
And condoms are only 98% effective.
A condom and VPN work on the same principle: a layer of protection. No protection is ever 100% effective, but you can at least try.
Remember, they’re already building the camps. It’s only a matter of time before “helping illegals” is a crime that gets you sent to the camps. I’d rather make the fascists work for it at least.
And condoms are only 98% effective.
Your analogy doesn't make sense. It would be more apt to say "condoms from Walmart can be compromised!" but it makes no sense because they can be compromised anywhere. If you think shopping somewhere else means they won't be compromised, that's not logical.
It's not to say that you shouldn't use them, it's to say that you shouldn't judge them based on the geographical location they're acquired.
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Yes, I used web sockets for Signal for a while. It drained 30% of my battery when the phone sat idle for a day. Absolutely bonkers. Made the phone almost unusable so had to revert to FCM or disable notifications.
Ya, it can be brutal on battery.
I worked on an app once where delivery was critical, so we gave them the option of the active service+websocket, but for them the trade off was acceptable.
Pushes can be pretty flakey given all the shenanigans OEMs do on the device, even when marked as high priority correctly.
And the even worse part is when OEMs reset battery saving flags the user had set to help pushes get through and they stop working one day because of it.
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It's actually not possible to build a push service like FCM or APNS on Android and have it function at the same level as FCM. FCM has special permissions to bypass certain device states on the device to ensure message delivery that nothing else can match.
The best you can do is approximate it with an always active websocket and a foreground service always running with battery optimizations disabled, but good luck not having that foreground service shut down on occasion as well. Devices are hostile to them for battery saving purposes. You'd have the best luck with a Pixel device though for something like that. You could also do some sort of scheduled background polling, but the device can be hostile to that as well, and it would eat more battery.
It's true that FCM will result in more reliability and a better UX than other ways to implement notifications. Doing something else is still the right choice for certain use cases, such as those where privacy or keeping the entire codebase open source are top priorities.
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...iOS forces uses Apple services including getting apps through Apple...
Can't speak to the rest of the claims, but Android practically does too. If one has to sideload an app, you've lost 99% of users, if not more.
It makes me suspect they're not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.
Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2501/
It makes me suspect they’re not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.
The developers of GrapheneOS, an independent, security-oriented Android distribution are probably not only talking about stock OEM Android. What they're saying is true about stock OEM android though.
That's a separate issue from whether users are forced to get all their software from a specific source, which is also separate from whether users will actually use other sources when given the option.
On Android, developers can offer users a way to install an app that isn't easily traced to their identity and on iOS they can't. Furthermore, an Android app can be both on the Play store and available from other sources; there's no exclusivity.
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Is there an android version?
Fire works on Android and is meant to do basically the same thing. I saw someone post it in another thread, but haven't explored it in depth.
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It's true that FCM will result in more reliability and a better UX than other ways to implement notifications. Doing something else is still the right choice for certain use cases, such as those where privacy or keeping the entire codebase open source are top priorities.
Ya, for sure. My beef was just with people saying you can roll your own, but glossing over the reduced user experience and reliability if you do.
With those trade offs it's absolutely doable and makes sense for certain situations.
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It's so blatant as if theyre using an instruction manual or something
Stephen Miller is basically a Nazi
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Worse still it's not even clear what is being discussed. It implied "violence" but that is a wide range from just pushing to serious shooting.
% can also be misleading when a scale is arbitrary. A temperature increase measured in Fahrenheit will be a rather different % when converted to Kelvin.
Sadly I haven't heard of any ICE officers getting shot in the line of duty.
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Stephen Miller is basically a Nazi
Stephen Miller is basically a Nazi
He's a fucking JEWISH Nazi - which is the worst kind of self loathing Nazi.
He'd be the first in the showers when the real Nazis come to town.
He's a pathetic loser.
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She said that there's been a 500 percent increase against ICE agents who are just "trying to do their jobs and remove public safety threats from... communities."
Exactly what the Nazis who ran extermination camps claimed.
Exactly. Basically "wahhhh this is making it harder for the kidnappers to kidnap people!! stop using the app they're just trying to do their jobs pls feel sorry for them
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It makes me suspect they’re not talking about the stock systems OEMs ship.
The developers of GrapheneOS, an independent, security-oriented Android distribution are probably not only talking about stock OEM Android. What they're saying is true about stock OEM android though.
That's a separate issue from whether users are forced to get all their software from a specific source, which is also separate from whether users will actually use other sources when given the option.
On Android, developers can offer users a way to install an app that isn't easily traced to their identity and on iOS they can't. Furthermore, an Android app can be both on the Play store and available from other sources; there's no exclusivity.
You got that "tracked to their identity" opposite around.
The reason why there is no Android App is, if the phone gets "found" the data about the user/owner is an open book. -
You don't even need to audit a closed source app to know that Apple knows which devices its sending pushes to. It works because they know.
And how would they know that?
That would mean push notifications would go via an Apple Server. Wich
a) makes no sense
b) can be masquerade so that the server does not know who talks to whom
c) the meta information and the notification can be deleted timelyOn the other hand, I guess most Android "low level" peer to peer apps go via FireBase?
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Stephen Miller is basically a Nazi
Stephen Miller is exactly a Nazi
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"He's giving a message to criminals where our federal officers are," Bondi said. "...we are looking at it, we are looking at him, and he better watch out, because that's not a protected speech. That is threatening the lives of our law enforcement officers throughout this country."'
Actually, I believe it is protected speech. There are apps that let people know where speed traps are. You mean it's not constitutionally protected to say to someone "hey, did you see the cop down on the corner?" Ridiculous. Of course, what she means to say is that the constitution doesn't matter and laws are made up now, and they're just going to do whatever the fuck they want. They're just not quuuuuite ready to go through the trouble of literally setting the constitution on fire yet.
It is definitely not constitutional protected free speech.
Because constitution has nothing to say in this matter.
On the other hand there is no law restricting such speech either.
Making a law against it, that is valid under the constitution, would be tricky however. -
Federation is an overly complicated solution it's not required. It also wouldn't actually help, they can still take it off the app store there'd be another one but they would just play whack-a-mole and you can achieve the same thing with open source.
The best bet would be to have the database hosted outside the US and just have apps that pull the data from an API. There's no need for the app itself to store the data in fact that's a really stupid way to do it. You could federate it if you wanted but honestly that's probably unnecessary
Facepalm. If the App does not store the data in a 5 mile radius ... how do you at least see the latest status when the power and internet is down?
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You got that "tracked to their identity" opposite around.
The reason why there is no Android App is, if the phone gets "found" the data about the user/owner is an open book.This is not one of the claims made by the ICEBlock developers; their claims are only to do with notifications.
If you want to claim that a locked Android device is substantially easier for law enforcement to break in to than a locked iPhone, please cite up-to-date (from 2025) sources.
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This is not true.
https://bsky.app/profile/grapheneos.org/post/3lt2prfb2vk2rWell, who knows what is true and what not.
I never knew that Push Notifications go via Apple, and not via the network operator.
Definitely wrong is GraphenOS's claim that Android does not allow access to the device id.
Of course it does. For what reason would the ID exist if it does not?
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And how would they know that?
That would mean push notifications would go via an Apple Server. Wich
a) makes no sense
b) can be masquerade so that the server does not know who talks to whom
c) the meta information and the notification can be deleted timelyOn the other hand, I guess most Android "low level" peer to peer apps go via FireBase?
All push notifications go through APNS on apple. That's Apple Push Notifications Service.
APNS requires the device to authenticate with it and can uniquely identify the device by an id. Its how it sends messages to devices.
Firebase cloud messaging acts the same way for true push notifications.
You don't need to audit a device using APNS or FCM on Android to know that it is not anonymous.
