Matrix.org is Introducing Premium Accounts
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i think the main problem was that when matrix was blowing up, matrix.org was the promoted server to sign up on.
i don't have a problem with this as it's just one server and you can always hop on another server if you like, though.
which reminds me, i do need to find another matrix (preferably queer focused) instance since i was on matrix.org
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I hope Matrix is not on its way to becoming Discord
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The context in the article is important. Similar to what FUTO preaches-- people don't donate. That's why corporate solutions usually win. Better to charge a bit of money so we can have nice things.
I used to have $5 on Patreon... but it seemed dead. I wrote a message asking what's up, but no response.
The whole org is a shitshow from what little pieces of info I have, still waiting for Dendride, hoping the front-ends will stabilize.
I've been using Matrix selfhosted as my primary communication tool since 2017, not connecting it to matrix.org (tried once, deleted instance afterwards), and I love it, but the org... meh.
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You're missing the point. There are easier jobs in the same industry for the same pay.
We're not comparing tech CEO to roofers. We're comparing them to other people in tech.
Uhh, no.
This is directly the point: Most people work more stressful jobs for considerably less. We should stop giving CEOs a pass.
Oh, and don't forget about this one!
but most people are useful idiots so here we are.
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i think the main problem was that when matrix was blowing up, matrix.org was the promoted server to sign up on.
i don't have a problem with this as it's just one server and you can always hop on another server if you like, though.
which reminds me, i do need to find another matrix (preferably queer focused) instance since i was on matrix.org
blahaj has one!
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Uhh, no.
This is directly the point: Most people work more stressful jobs for considerably less. We should stop giving CEOs a pass.
Oh, and don't forget about this one!
but most people are useful idiots so here we are.
Still not getting it I think.
Why would someone choose a more stressful job for the same pay?
This does not imply a lack of more stressful jobs that pay less. Obviously every idiot would take an easier job that pays more if they could.
Oh, and don't forget about this one!
I didn't forget. I chose to ignore it because it makes you look tacky and I'm being polite. But if you insist on pressing the point, there you go.
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Just looked on that link for the UK. The average is listed as £63k, which is $85k.
So you're not exactly disproving the point that that type of high salary is a US thing.
You can't at all compare unless you reference cost and standard of living. I've managed and hired people in multiple countries. It's not as simple as salary X exchange rate.
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Funnily enough, it shows the localised amount.
For me in France it shows 50k€ to 69k€, so $58k to $80k at current exchange rates
It just confirms that this is USA only haha
Btw glassdoor sucks. Forces you to have an account and register work shit
You can't just look at the exchange rate. You have to look at cost and standard of living.
Someone in the US making 100k is not doing as well as someone in France making 70k€
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blahaj has one!
oohh, looks up! thx! :3
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Funnily enough, it shows the localised amount.
For me in France it shows 50k€ to 69k€, so $58k to $80k at current exchange rates
It just confirms that this is USA only haha
Btw glassdoor sucks. Forces you to have an account and register work shit
80k plus all of society's trappings of France. Dude, it's not even a comparison. Worker's rights, healthcare, public transit, safety, security...
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It's a load of bullshit and we shouldn't trust them.
It's a load of bullshit...
Based on what?
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$170k/year for 1 person is no joke.
This is just a grift to take advantage of morons.
Don't be one of them.
A two bedroom, one bathroom house built in the 80s in San Francisco cost $1.1 million a couple years back. I don't suppose cost of living in most big cities went down.
For comparison, Mitchell Baker, the former CEO of Mozilla, saw her yearly pay rise from $2.4 million in 2018 to 6.9 million in 2022. I think it's perfectly adequate for the CEO of matrix to earn the salary of a moderately successful software engineer.
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Listed salaries are almost always what the employee pays, not what it costs the company. In the US, this includes the payroll tax, and cost of "benefits," like healthcare and unemployment insurance, and is referred to as the burdened rate. This is separate from the income tax the employee has to pay to the government, mind you.
The burdened rate for most employees at the companies I've worked for in the US is like 20-50% higher than the salary paid. Not sure exactly how it works in France, but I do know there's a pretty complex payroll tax companies have to pay. I think it's something like 40% at the salary you quoted.
Plus you have to add in the amortized cost of legal, HR, etc for employees.
Not a big deal for 1-2 employees, but as you scale you need support employees
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A two bedroom, one bathroom house built in the 80s in San Francisco cost $1.1 million a couple years back. I don't suppose cost of living in most big cities went down.
For comparison, Mitchell Baker, the former CEO of Mozilla, saw her yearly pay rise from $2.4 million in 2018 to 6.9 million in 2022. I think it's perfectly adequate for the CEO of matrix to earn the salary of a moderately successful software engineer.
That's funny, because nothing about his job requires him to be there.
Unlike, you know, people outside of tech.
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That's funny, because nothing about his job requires him to be there.
Unlike, you know, people outside of tech.
I have no clue where in the world he resides. I'm just trying and failing to clue you in on how the world works.
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Still not getting it I think.
Why would someone choose a more stressful job for the same pay?
This does not imply a lack of more stressful jobs that pay less. Obviously every idiot would take an easier job that pays more if they could.
Oh, and don't forget about this one!
I didn't forget. I chose to ignore it because it makes you look tacky and I'm being polite. But if you insist on pressing the point, there you go.
Why would someone choose a more stressful job for the same pay?
Because they don't have a choice? Holy shit, you people are so disconnected from reality it's not even funny.
People work significantly harder than this CEO for significantly less. If the CEO was forced to make less money, he could still do the job without an issue. But why would he when useful idiots will defend him making more?
If he's not willing to do the job for less, then someone else would be willing to take over his role considering how many people already work way harder for way less.
Thanks for proving my last point right, again.
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I have no clue where in the world he resides. I'm just trying and failing to clue you in on how the world works.
No, you're trying to defend the profit's of others without realizing how they're taking advantage of your naivete.
Honestly, trying to explain things to useful idiots really is a fool's errand. The best I can do is make it clear as day for anyone with a brain how much of a sucker the average internet user is now.
Goodbye. I'm going to ignore you. I'm tired of arguing with tools.
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No, you're trying to defend the profit's of others without realizing how they're taking advantage of your naivete.
Honestly, trying to explain things to useful idiots really is a fool's errand. The best I can do is make it clear as day for anyone with a brain how much of a sucker the average internet user is now.
Goodbye. I'm going to ignore you. I'm tired of arguing with tools.
How could I ever cope without your words of wisdom.
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You can't at all compare unless you reference cost and standard of living. I've managed and hired people in multiple countries. It's not as simple as salary X exchange rate.
Cost of living in the UK is about 12% lower than the US, including housing costs. But the average salary is about half of the US salary. So you can see that that doesn't really cover it.
Source: https://livingcost.org/cost/united-kingdom/united-states
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Cost of living in the UK is about 12% lower than the US, including housing costs. But the average salary is about half of the US salary. So you can see that that doesn't really cover it.
Source: https://livingcost.org/cost/united-kingdom/united-states
I hate that people treat the US like a country. It's bad for statistics.
The cost of living in New Jersey is 50% higher than Alabama, for example, using the site you linked. Averages across the US are near meaningless.
Since I'm talking about tech jobs, we should compare to states with lots of tech jobs, and we might get a better comparison.
