Listed salaries are almost always what the employee pays, not what it costs the company. In the US, this includes the payroll tax, and cost of "benefits," like healthcare and unemployment insurance, and is referred to as the burdened rate. This is separate from the income tax the employee has to pay to the government, mind you.

The burdened rate for most employees at the companies I've worked for in the US is like 20-50% higher than the salary paid. Not sure exactly how it works in France, but I do know there's a pretty complex payroll tax companies have to pay. I think it's something like 40% at the salary you quoted.

Employees have to pay for basically everything in the US, so salaries have to be a lot higher here. School, childcare, healthcare, retirement, you name it. Also, all those things are more expensive here because they're provided by companies that need to make a profit. It sucks.

And a 80k$ salary in France amounts to around 125k$ cost for the employer.
So 170k$ isn't that much - I actually know French developers and network engineers that make similar money.
The French ITsec architect I interviewed last year would have cost me (converted) around 150k$.

So 170k$ is absolutely not out of the normal range here.

Talking about France: The French government could start to properly support matrix.org as they use it for tChap. The same goes for Germany with the "Behördenmessenger"

I'll just leave this blog post here:

"Truth is, to get right to the point, the fact that Matrix was accompanied by a for-profit entity, funded by venture capital was the biggest mistake that Matrix as a project has ever made."

matrix is cooked

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Alexia (paper.wf)

i think the main problem was that when matrix was blowing up, matrix.org was the promoted server to sign up on.

i don't have a problem with this as it's just one server and you can always hop on another server if you like, though.

which reminds me, i do need to find another matrix (preferably queer focused) instance since i was on matrix.org

I hope Matrix is not on its way to becoming Discord

I used to have $5 on Patreon... but it seemed dead. I wrote a message asking what's up, but no response.

The whole org is a shitshow from what little pieces of info I have, still waiting for Dendride, hoping the front-ends will stabilize.

I've been using Matrix selfhosted as my primary communication tool since 2017, not connecting it to matrix.org (tried once, deleted instance afterwards), and I love it, but the org... meh.

Uhh, no.

This is directly the point: Most people work more stressful jobs for considerably less. We should stop giving CEOs a pass.

Oh, and don't forget about this one!

but most people are useful idiots so here we are.

blahaj has one!

Still not getting it I think.

Why would someone choose a more stressful job for the same pay?

This does not imply a lack of more stressful jobs that pay less. Obviously every idiot would take an easier job that pays more if they could.

Oh, and don't forget about this one!

I didn't forget. I chose to ignore it because it makes you look tacky and I'm being polite. But if you insist on pressing the point, there you go.

You can't at all compare unless you reference cost and standard of living. I've managed and hired people in multiple countries. It's not as simple as salary X exchange rate.

You can't just look at the exchange rate. You have to look at cost and standard of living.

Someone in the US making 100k is not doing as well as someone in France making 70k€

oohh, looks up! thx! :3

80k plus all of society's trappings of France. Dude, it's not even a comparison. Worker's rights, healthcare, public transit, safety, security...

It's a load of bullshit...

Based on what?

A two bedroom, one bathroom house built in the 80s in San Francisco cost $1.1 million a couple years back. I don't suppose cost of living in most big cities went down.

For comparison, Mitchell Baker, the former CEO of Mozilla, saw her yearly pay rise from $2.4 million in 2018 to 6.9 million in 2022. I think it's perfectly adequate for the CEO of matrix to earn the salary of a moderately successful software engineer.

Plus you have to add in the amortized cost of legal, HR, etc for employees.

Not a big deal for 1-2 employees, but as you scale you need support employees

That's funny, because nothing about his job requires him to be there.

Unlike, you know, people outside of tech.

I have no clue where in the world he resides. I'm just trying and failing to clue you in on how the world works.

Why would someone choose a more stressful job for the same pay?

Because they don't have a choice? Holy shit, you people are so disconnected from reality it's not even funny.

People work significantly harder than this CEO for significantly less. If the CEO was forced to make less money, he could still do the job without an issue. But why would he when useful idiots will defend him making more?

If he's not willing to do the job for less, then someone else would be willing to take over his role considering how many people already work way harder for way less.

Thanks for proving my last point right, again.