I assume I'd have the same problem with graphene.

There's a list of bank apps that work in Grapheme. You can check for yours here

Banking Applications Compatibility with GrapheneOS

Maintained Compatibility List for International Banking Apps This list includes banking apps that have been tested, submitted, reviewed, and verified as compatible. LIST | SUBMIT | UPDATE | POSSIBLE WORKAROUND SOLUTIONS Introduction Welcome to the crowd-sourced dataset for GrapheneOS users on currently supported devices. New visitors are encouraged to read the official usage guide on banking apps for comprehensive details about how these apps function on GrapheneOS. IMPORTANT Please read GrapheneOS’s important announcement, officially released on Dec 1, 2023:

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Far too few I'm afraid

No, we aren't forgetting. Precisely because they are a corporation driven by profits like any other, they will do what sells units. It actually goes against the argument for headphone jacks. It is an admission that the people who vocally want phones with headphone jacks don't buy phones (even if they have headphone jacks) and are an statistically insignificant amount of people. My original point. You are vocal, but disingenuous (perhaps not on purpose).

Fairphone catered to the mass market with the Fairphone 4 (and removed the headphone jack) and broke their own sales records. Sorry, that's just the truth. What you want is against the grain of the rest of the market. Yes, even the market who want repairable modular phones.

Because when push comes to shove, you might want the headphone jack but it doesn't drive your purchase decision. And that's the important part. As an example, another person on this very thread asked what phone with a headphone jack is good, someone else gave a suggestion and immediately got the reply.

I considered that phone, but it didn't have an OLED screen, so I didn't buy it.

Admitting that — despite being very vocal about wanting the headphone jack — that feature is actually low in their own list of decision making priorities. At the very least it is below screen quality. Raising the question, where should a profit driven company choose to invest money in when presented with that customer?

In marketing, people are usually very vocal about things that actually don't influence their own purchase decisions. That's just a fact, people are very bad at knowing what they want. That's why you should always observe their behavior, not just ask their opinion. Because a lot of people express opinions they don't uphold with actions.

I just checked my phone and the up/down speed for files is roughly 40MB/s despite having a USB 3 connection.

USB 2 has a max. transfer rate (under optimal conditions) of 60MB/s, so I think when the phone storage improves a bit or the cable is a bit longer it will likely become a bottleneck.

Also note that there are other applications than transfering files which might need more bandwidth.

To be fair it really doesn't make much of a difference but USB 3 is now the standard for a century and has been around since 2008 so I somewhere expect a 600€ phone to also have it.

Why does The Fairphone (Gen. 6) use USB-2?

In order to make the device more affordable, we explored how we could best balance our spec choices with the least possible impact on user experience. Going from USB-3 to USB-2 was one of them.

Just a moment...

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I mean, yes. It is about marketing. I just think there are more people who think wires are annoying than people losing their earbuds. For every person who loses BT earbuds every 3 months, there's a person with the same pair for 3+ years who is perfectly happy with wireless quality. Companies don't care about that. They care about decisions that will reduce costs and increase their profits, and Fairphone desperately need profits. Making phones is idiotically expensive.

“It's not in front of my face, so it doesn't exists!”

That's literally the thinking abilities of a toddler. Wireless chargers sell like hotcakes. MagSafe charger is Apple's most popular accessory in their entire history.

But they won’t sacrifice AxB customers to satisfy B customers.

That's the kicker. Adding a headphone jack doesn't mean they have to sacrifice something. They can just do it without having to remove/reduce anything. If adding a jack was really that difficult, something like what you can see in this video wouldn't be possible.

You have to preeeety gullible to believe their reasons for not adding it. The only reason was that they wanted to sell their bluetooth earbuds, that's it.

Or there wasn't good enough engineering to begin with to achieve usb 3 speeds. Seems like they should have got it right before using it as a reason to cripple the thing further.

Thanks for the link. I can't necessarily agree that it's low impact, transferring files at 2.0 speeds is brutal.

You know you’ve got not argument when you have to compare a $700 dollar phone to a $5 dongle for your argument to even make sense.

Oh, so I should buy $100 dongles then? lol Everyone's argument about the dongles is that they're super cheap, that's why I made the comparison.

In those phones the DAC is used primarily for phone calls.

Oh really? And how exactly do you think that the phone is generating the audio that comes through its speaker when you're doing anything else? Like listening to music, videos, etc? Does your phone really not make a single sound apart from the audio in phone calls?

I wasn’t talking about some cheap $5 dongle, I specifically said quality headphones

headphone =/= dongle

The dongle is what you connect TO the headphone. Regardless, be more specific then. What's the one you recommend? Should I buy $50 dongles then and keep them attached to my headphones? Since I use 4/5 of them does that mean that it's ok in your opinion that I now need to spend $250 in dongles instead of just having a tiny, cheap, reliable jack on my $700 phone?

If you ask people what they want, they will tell you they want a phone that has 15 inch screen that looks perfect under the sunlight. But also fits into their pocket. And it has to have a battery that lasts a week, but it must not weight anything at all. But also has to play all the highly graphical games, and also have a professional level camera. It must do so and also last forever and be indestructible.

That phone obviously can't exist, and a lot of what people want are things that oppose each other from the engineering pov. That's the point of surveys and market analysis. You don't just look at what people say, you look at what they do, what they actually buy.

It is true that the other side of marketing is convincing people that what the company is offering is what they would also want to buy. But it is never a guarantee. I mean, look at the Samsung Edge flop. Marketing is not magic, you can't brainwash 100 million people to buy something they don't want. Marketing is marrying what the company wants to do in terms of cost cutting and profit maxing, with what the market is actually willing to buy. If people keep buying slop, they will keep selling slop, and they will keep marketing slop to people to convince them they want the slop. To break the circle someone has to stop, and it won't be the corporations.

Well, technically no phones are made in the US. I think you're talking about selling phones there. Regardless, you might have poor short term memory because they only pulled out of the US phone market (which is pretty crappy) a little over a year ago I believe.

I would never go with Samsung as a conscious choice for custom ROMs, mostly because all well-supported devices are pretty old, which means lower chance of getting something in a decent state for a reasonable price used, that wouldn't require immediately swapping the battery already. Not to mention the Knox eFuse which means losing functionality when flashing a custom ROM. I'd argue a used Pixel is a better option, the 7 Pro can be had for relatively little money and is still a good phone.

I also found out a few other things that have changed:

• They now use Torx T5 screws
• The backcover and battery are now fixed with these screws
• The battery uses a dedicated connector
• Parts of the backcover now require a pick
• SIM/SD now sit at the bottom in a dedicated slot and don't require the removal of the backcover.
• The volume buttons got replaced by the "moments" button and are now on the left

IMHO this is kind of a downgrade in repairability as you now need custom tools (not everyone has a T5 screwdriver at home).
Moving the volume buttons to the other side is also kind of weird and unexpected as most (non Apple) phones have them on the right...

Phone thickness is far from the only consideration. But Ok, you are right. There was space on the iPhone 7. That was also the first water resistant phone. Does this guy phone's is still IP67 compliant after all the surgery he made. And that was in 2016, when IP67 headphone jacks didn't exist. Now the phone standard is IP68. There were no IP68 compliant headphone jacks until recently, I think the ASUS Zenfone 12 is the first one.

I think companies won't bring the headphone jack (a shame, really). But the writing is in the wall, it went away, and phones still sold like hotcakes. While those with headphone jacks aren't being bought anywhere near the same volume. So the signal is very clear, the effort to add a headphone jack — however little it may be — is not financially worth it. It is a feature that doesn't drive sales. Period.

Use for all your old usb 2 ables lol

Yeah pixels are definitely the best but they're expensive and not as accessible globally.

Lol nooooo, I've been trying to get rid of all mine! Of course since I'm an IT guy that really just means they go to the box of bygone cabling standards, but still. I want them out of my active cable stash lol

Tried that. Gets lost real fast. But thanks "freedom advocate".