In addition to @timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works: I don't need pairing, I don't have to deal with bad reception, it's harder to loose wired ones and even if I loose them, new ones cost a fraction of bt ones.
Also I still have some wired ones.
The simplicity of simply plugging them in and it just works is something really abstract to alternatives.

Okay? Literally nothing you said applies to USB-C headphones. Except for this part:

The simplicity of simply plugging them in and it just works is something really abstract to alternatives.

Doesn't seem to have one.

But to be honest, most headphone jacks on these slim phones suck and even a cheap USB-c to audio jack dongle is better than the average phone headphone jack.

The devices from Fiio show that it is still possibile to create a good quality Android device with a good headphone jack, but we might need thicker phones.
I just use dongles or audio players

A thicker phone would be great. All these manufacturers forgot at some point we actually need to hold these things with a human hand.

Having said that my fp4 is actually a pretty good thickness. They just screwed that up by rounding the the edge so much seemingly to reduce contact grip.

Are you aware why it is called "Fair Phone"?

Maybe look into that, before complaining about the price, it makes you look stupid.

What about the price is simultaneous charging?

How often do you charge your phone and listen to music at the same time? And is that really something you cannot compromise on?

Yep same here. Also they're not capable of installing grapheneos which is kind of a deal breaker for me.

So with framework you can keep the cpu and camera and swap out the Mobo for a better one?

One example - I charge it when using it for navigation in the car while at the same time listening to music.

FP would be a good choice for Graphene.

Like I've said before- their market is small enough they should be trying to get everyone they can to buy it.

Resorting to insults really?

3.5mm Aux takes up a shit load of space to connect 4 analog wires. If a phone has Aux it should at the very least be 2.5mm.

It makes no sense to me why you can't just use an adapter.

More battery > Redundant analog cable most people don't use anyway.

I might be a idiot as you say, but the people at Fairphone don't seem to be because they ditched AUX as they should have

Doesn't seem to have one.

But to be honest, most headphone jacks on these slim phones suck and even a cheap USB-c to audio jack dongle is better than the average phone headphone jack.

The devices from Fiio show that it is still possibile to create a good quality Android device with a good headphone jack, but we might need thicker phones.
I just use dongles or audio players

• They are expensive. You can get wired earphones for 2 euros that actually work and are reasonably durable. It's not a great loss if they fall in a puddle or if I step on them.
• They are a lot more failure prone. Half of those I tried didn't work or only half worked, and those that did work didn't last very long.
• They have shitty range. I can use a 10 meters extension cord with wired earphones if I want to.
• They require charging. And it's a law of physics that everything that requires charging always run out at the most inconvenient time.
• Also THEY ALWAYS GET LOST. Wireless earphones, mouse, controllers... it doesn't matter, if it's not attached with a cable they'll just disappear.

I respect your opinion, but I lived through 90s computing and think dongles died the death they deserve and these phone manufacturers can go to hell for bringing them back or thinking that bluetooth audio is good enough.

Additionally most of the droids I have bought that have a jack are the perfect thickness in my mind. Weighted enough to stay in my hand and take a couple dozen drops without accident. Plus the headphone jack is used as an antenna and provides radio capabilities so I can listen to local news instead of whatever the tech industry wants to feed me. Which is a nice option.

Just out of interest, because I too love the jack, then what are you buying in the future?

Read through the whole report, sum up all the money they mention. It comes out to $16 000. Double that for the stuff where they don't mention money (because they surely would mention anything that costs more than the things they do mention). Double it again, for a safety margin. Double it again, because we are really generous. Now we are at €128 000. Divide that by the number of devices sold in 2024 and you get $1.24. Now add the $1.20 (Page 29) they pay as a living wage bonus and you arrive at $2.44 per device.

And now let's be super generous and double that guess again, and you end up with the <€5 per device that I quoted above.

The picture becomes clearer when you look at what they say about their fair material usage.

Take for example the FP5 (page 42 & 67). Their top claim here is "Fair materials: 76%", which they then put a disclaimer next to it, that they only mean that 76% of 14 specific focus materials is actually fair. On the detail page (page 67) they specify that actually only 44% of the total weight of the phone is fairly mined, because they just excluded a ton of material from the list of "focus materials" to push up the number.

The largest part of these materials are actually recycled materials (37% of the 44% "fair" materials). The materials they are recycling are plastics, metals and rare earth elements. That's all materials that are cheaper to recycle than to mine. You'll likely find almost identical amounts of recycled materials in any other phone, because it makes economical sense. It's just cheaper. Since these materials cost nothing extra to Fairphone, we can exclude them from the list, which leaves 1% of actually fair mined material (specifically gold), and 6% of materials that they bought fairwashing credits for.

Also, the raw materials of phones are dirt cheap compared to the end price. The costly part is not mining the materials, but manufacturing all the components.

With only 1% of the materials being fairly mined and only 6% being compensated with credits, you can start to see why in total they spend next to nothing on fair mining/fair credits.

Ok but what about a headphone jack ?