The Trump Administration is Building a National Citizenship Data System; State and county election officials can now check the citizenship status of their entire voter lists.
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With everything he does the issue is the implementation. Deport criminal aliens? I'm all for it, but most of the deportees have no criminal record or they accuse them of crimes as if it's the same thing as a conviction.
Part of Trump's grand plan is to make federal elections span only a single day. So maybe you check your status the day before and everything is fine, but the day of voting a glitch in the system says it can't verify your citizenship. That's it! No votes for you this year!
Part of Trump’s grand plan is to make federal elections span only a single day.
Don't see the problem. For years in Italy elections were a one day only events (normally a Sunday) and everything worked fine.
So maybe you check your status the day before and everything is fine, but the day of voting a glitch in the system says it can’t verify your citizenship. That’s it! No votes for you this year!
There are solutions since the system need to be resilient, note that the glitch could be even not "wanted" so while you can think that $HATED_CANDIDATE want to keep his opponents away from the voting, in the same way $HATED_CANDIDATE want to make sure that his supporters can vote.
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What happens if someone is illegitimately removed from this database? How can you show whether it was a glitch, or deliberate? How do you know if the information they have about you is even right, or get it changed if you need to? Where's the accountability?
See the UK Post Office accounting scandal, in which a persistent computer error went unfixed for decades and caused hundreds of post office employees to be fired and dragged through courts for corruption that never happened. A good chunk of them committed suicide. The government and the software company both knew about the bug causing the issue, too, but prosecutions continued. "If the computer says it, it must be right", sort of danger.
What happens if someone is illegitimately removed from this database?
That the someone cannot vote. But you can design system resilient to this.
How can you show whether it was a glitch, or deliberate?
Paper trail.
How do you know if the information they have about you is even right, or get it changed if you need to?
You check it. I mean, when I ask for a document I expect to receive it. And I check if it is correct, after all human error can happen anyway.
Where’s the accountability?
Every document from the state (any level) I have has a signature that indicate who is ultimately accountable for it.
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Citizenship is already required to vote in state and federal elections.
Then you should have no problem with this because it won't stop anyone who is allowed to vote from voting, will it?
Everyone who votes absolutely should be checked to see if they are allowed to vote by citizenship. The only reason to disagree with this would be if you want non-citizens to vote in elections that they're not supposed to.
I don't trust the people making the national citizenship list to be honest about it.
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There was talk of establishing a national ID in the 90s but republicans revolted saying it would be the number of the beast. I guess their principles on the matter depend on whether the beast in question is Trump or Clinton. There would definitely be scope creep for such an ID, much like the SSN. I say just make it a national ID and eliminate the need to register to vote.
They were against the Beast because they didn't know they'd agree with his policies.
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"illegitimately" is the key word there. I'm not interested in what you think happens if everything is working as intended, or your poor reading comprehension. F-, rewrite your answer and address the question or you'll fail the class and be held back a grade.
“illegitimately” is the key word there. I’m not interested in what you think happens if everything is working as intended, or your poor reading comprehension
Oh the irony. Database and procedural logs are automatic and extensive, that's why I mentioned them. No amount of "illegitimate" actions would sidestep them. Go back to school.
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Actually it's a civil offense akin to a parking ticket which is separate from criminal charges.
It's a crime.
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You call yourself freedomadvocate yet you advocate for the destruction of freedom, interesting.
The automatic username generator called me that.
Also I don't advocate for the "destruction of freedom", just for common sense.
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Your post is blatant disinformation. Undocumented immigrants overwhelmingly vote not at all. Voting illegally in the US is difficult, and often prosecuted.
I live in the US. Most of the people I know are Democrat-aligned. None of them want undocumented immigrants to vote. None of them import undocumented immigrants.
None of them want undocumented immigrants to vote.
Doubt.
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The Trump administration has, for the first time ever, built a searchable national citizenship data system.
The tool, which is being rolled out in phases, is designed to be used by state and local election officials to give them an easier way to ensure only citizens are voting. But it was developed rapidly without a public process, and some of those officials are already worrying about what else it could be used for.
NPR is the first news organization to report the details of the new system.
For decades, voting officials have noted that there was no national citizenship list to compare their state lists to, so to verify citizenship for their voters, they either needed to ask people to provide a birth certificate or a passport — something that could disenfranchise millions — or use a complex patchwork of disparate data sources.
Don’t you have to register to vote?…
Illegal immigrants don’t even have social security numbers…
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The Trump administration has, for the first time ever, built a searchable national citizenship data system.
The tool, which is being rolled out in phases, is designed to be used by state and local election officials to give them an easier way to ensure only citizens are voting. But it was developed rapidly without a public process, and some of those officials are already worrying about what else it could be used for.
NPR is the first news organization to report the details of the new system.
For decades, voting officials have noted that there was no national citizenship list to compare their state lists to, so to verify citizenship for their voters, they either needed to ask people to provide a birth certificate or a passport — something that could disenfranchise millions — or use a complex patchwork of disparate data sources.
Are the illegals voting in elections in the room with us right now?
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It's a crime.
"Improper entry" through illegally crossing a border is a crime, but the majority of undocumented immigrants in the US don't enter that way. "Unlawful presence" after a visa expires or is denied receives civil penalties rather than criminal, meaning they can't lead to imprisonment but only fines or a court action like deportation.
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"Improper entry" through illegally crossing a border is a crime, but the majority of undocumented immigrants in the US don't enter that way. "Unlawful presence" after a visa expires or is denied receives civil penalties rather than criminal, meaning they can't lead to imprisonment but only fines or a court action like deportation.
but the majority of undocumented immigrants in the US don’t enter that way.
Doubt, especially given what we saw from 2021-early 2025.
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Don’t you have to register to vote?…
Illegal immigrants don’t even have social security numbers…
They are promoting the disproven conspiracy theory that illegals are impersonating US citizens and then casting ballots under false names.
Greg Palast's reporting proved that they are trying to purge minority and left leaning voters from voting rolls.
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It's a crime.
The crime of wanting a better life and pulling your bootstrap that is.
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Don’t you have to register to vote?…
Illegal immigrants don’t even have social security numbers…
I mean, you do, but...
Often you just attest citizenship. Not sure if it's checked on the backend or not. And illegal immigrants often have SSNs, just not their own. That's how they can work much of the time.Not that I expect many non-citizens are voting. The risk to reward ratio makes it really unattractive. Even citizens struggle to bother.
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The crime of wanting a better life and pulling your bootstrap that is.
Do it legally.
Is selling meth "wanting a better life and pulling your bootstrap"?
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Don’t you have to register to vote?…
Illegal immigrants don’t even have social security numbers…
they want to see whos voting Dems, or independant(that isnt aligned with the gop to siphon votes from the DEMS)
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It's a crime.
Parking illegally is a crime, bub.
Not surprised a MAGAt can't weigh not only the severity of the crime, but the motivations, its consequences, its long history, and overall social impact, and still decide they would rather lick boots instead. Good luck picking all that fruit in Texas and constructing those homes after a hurricane in Florida, though, champ. Send pics of your proud & hard work.
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Do it legally.
Is selling meth "wanting a better life and pulling your bootstrap"?
Is selling meth “wanting a better life and pulling your bootstrap”?
Technically, yes, because it leaves a lot of money. Funny way of saying you have never worked a slave-wage job in your life. But immigrants aren't selling meth, though, because that would be a FEDERAL crime and not a CIVIL OFFENSE. Curious comparison to reach for immediately.
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Also outside the US, and the "problem" is that people - pretty much exclusively democrat voters - want illegal immigrants to be able to vote, or at least don't want their illegal votes to not be counted, because they overwhelmingly vote Democrat since the Democrats are the ones importing them and giving them freebies.
And I'm here to believe that my MAGA Latino relatives living in the US are the exception to the rule?
What about my extended family? And their friends and families? And theirs in turn?
What the Democrats want is to run local elections for local issues, and have the people affected vote because it affects them directly. Or what, did you get confused as usual and are talking about the general elections?
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