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The Trump Administration is Building a National Citizenship Data System; State and county election officials can now check the citizenship status of their entire voter lists.

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  • Person from outside the US here. Please explain me why this is a problem?

    In the EU only citizens can vote in national elections, for local elections non-citizens can vote only if they are residents.

    Also outside the US, and the "problem" is that people - pretty much exclusively democrat voters - want illegal immigrants to be able to vote, or at least don't want their illegal votes to not be counted, because they overwhelmingly vote Democrat since the Democrats are the ones importing them and giving them freebies.

  • With everything he does the issue is the implementation. Deport criminal aliens? I'm all for it, but most of the deportees have no criminal record or they accuse them of crimes as if it's the same thing as a conviction.

    Part of Trump's grand plan is to make federal elections span only a single day. So maybe you check your status the day before and everything is fine, but the day of voting a glitch in the system says it can't verify your citizenship. That's it! No votes for you this year!

    Deport criminal aliens? I’m all for it, but most of the deportees have no criminal record or they accuse them of crimes as if it’s the same thing as a conviction.

    Illegal immigration is a crime.

  • Citizenship is already required to vote in state and federal elections.

    Then you should have no problem with this because it won't stop anyone who is allowed to vote from voting, will it? 🙂

    Everyone who votes absolutely should be checked to see if they are allowed to vote by citizenship. The only reason to disagree with this would be if you want non-citizens to vote in elections that they're not supposed to.

    Please read the rest of the comment

  • I think in most cases where this administration seems to have a good idea it's important to remember that it's likely designed to keep them in power.

    A national database that the trump admin controls will 100% be exploited for their own gain, just like every other aspect of government is being exploited for their gain now.

    A national database that the trump admin controls

    But if/when the Democrats win it will be under their "control".

  • What happens if someone is illegitimately removed from this database? How can you show whether it was a glitch, or deliberate? How do you know if the information they have about you is even right, or get it changed if you need to? Where's the accountability?

    See the UK Post Office accounting scandal, in which a persistent computer error went unfixed for decades and caused hundreds of post office employees to be fired and dragged through courts for corruption that never happened. A good chunk of them committed suicide. The government and the software company both knew about the bug causing the issue, too, but prosecutions continued. "If the computer says it, it must be right", sort of danger.

    What happens if someone is illegitimately removed from this database? How can you show whether it was a glitch, or deliberate? How do you know if the information they have about you is even right, or get it changed if you need to? Where’s the accountability?

    Database logs and procedural logs is how you know.

    If you move state etc you would update your details with the government, just like you already should be doing.

  • Please read the rest of the comment

    I've read it, it's just more conspiracy theories.

  • The Trump administration has, for the first time ever, built a searchable national citizenship data system.

    The tool, which is being rolled out in phases, is designed to be used by state and local election officials to give them an easier way to ensure only citizens are voting. But it was developed rapidly without a public process, and some of those officials are already worrying about what else it could be used for.

    NPR is the first news organization to report the details of the new system.

    For decades, voting officials have noted that there was no national citizenship list to compare their state lists to, so to verify citizenship for their voters, they either needed to ask people to provide a birth certificate or a passport — something that could disenfranchise millions — or use a complex patchwork of disparate data sources.

    Given that US citizens are getting immigration court notices and even getting deported, I’m sure this is a very accurate and trustworthy system.

    We are in the dumbest timeline.

  • The Trump administration has, for the first time ever, built a searchable national citizenship data system.

    The tool, which is being rolled out in phases, is designed to be used by state and local election officials to give them an easier way to ensure only citizens are voting. But it was developed rapidly without a public process, and some of those officials are already worrying about what else it could be used for.

    NPR is the first news organization to report the details of the new system.

    For decades, voting officials have noted that there was no national citizenship list to compare their state lists to, so to verify citizenship for their voters, they either needed to ask people to provide a birth certificate or a passport — something that could disenfranchise millions — or use a complex patchwork of disparate data sources.

    Nothing dystopian about this, nope. JFC what an awful time to exist in.

  • Also outside the US, and the "problem" is that people - pretty much exclusively democrat voters - want illegal immigrants to be able to vote, or at least don't want their illegal votes to not be counted, because they overwhelmingly vote Democrat since the Democrats are the ones importing them and giving them freebies.

    Your post is blatant disinformation. Undocumented immigrants overwhelmingly vote not at all. Voting illegally in the US is difficult, and often prosecuted.

    I live in the US. Most of the people I know are Democrat-aligned. None of them want undocumented immigrants to vote. None of them import undocumented immigrants.

  • The goal is to suppress non-white voting by invalidating citizenships for people MAGA considers “foreigners”.

    No, the goal is to stop illegal immigrants crossing the border into america, giving birth, and then never leaving because their kid is a US citizen.

    You call yourself freedomadvocate yet you advocate for the destruction of freedom, interesting.

  • Deport criminal aliens? I’m all for it, but most of the deportees have no criminal record or they accuse them of crimes as if it’s the same thing as a conviction.

    Illegal immigration is a crime.

    Actually it's a civil offense akin to a parking ticket which is separate from criminal charges.

  • A national database that the trump admin controls

    But if/when the Democrats win it will be under their "control".

    So why are you arguing in favor of it?

  • What happens if someone is illegitimately removed from this database? How can you show whether it was a glitch, or deliberate? How do you know if the information they have about you is even right, or get it changed if you need to? Where’s the accountability?

    Database logs and procedural logs is how you know.

    If you move state etc you would update your details with the government, just like you already should be doing.

    "illegitimately" is the key word there. I'm not interested in what you think happens if everything is working as intended, or your poor reading comprehension. F-, rewrite your answer and address the question or you'll fail the class and be held back a grade.

  • The Trump administration has, for the first time ever, built a searchable national citizenship data system.

    The tool, which is being rolled out in phases, is designed to be used by state and local election officials to give them an easier way to ensure only citizens are voting. But it was developed rapidly without a public process, and some of those officials are already worrying about what else it could be used for.

    NPR is the first news organization to report the details of the new system.

    For decades, voting officials have noted that there was no national citizenship list to compare their state lists to, so to verify citizenship for their voters, they either needed to ask people to provide a birth certificate or a passport — something that could disenfranchise millions — or use a complex patchwork of disparate data sources.

    There was talk of establishing a national ID in the 90s but republicans revolted saying it would be the number of the beast. I guess their principles on the matter depend on whether the beast in question is Trump or Clinton. There would definitely be scope creep for such an ID, much like the SSN. I say just make it a national ID and eliminate the need to register to vote.

  • The Trump administration has, for the first time ever, built a searchable national citizenship data system.

    The tool, which is being rolled out in phases, is designed to be used by state and local election officials to give them an easier way to ensure only citizens are voting. But it was developed rapidly without a public process, and some of those officials are already worrying about what else it could be used for.

    NPR is the first news organization to report the details of the new system.

    For decades, voting officials have noted that there was no national citizenship list to compare their state lists to, so to verify citizenship for their voters, they either needed to ask people to provide a birth certificate or a passport — something that could disenfranchise millions — or use a complex patchwork of disparate data sources.

    look at which ones are voting democrats are voting independant, and target those areas for voter suppression, its simple as that.

  • With everything he does the issue is the implementation. Deport criminal aliens? I'm all for it, but most of the deportees have no criminal record or they accuse them of crimes as if it's the same thing as a conviction.

    Part of Trump's grand plan is to make federal elections span only a single day. So maybe you check your status the day before and everything is fine, but the day of voting a glitch in the system says it can't verify your citizenship. That's it! No votes for you this year!

    Part of Trump’s grand plan is to make federal elections span only a single day.

    Don't see the problem. For years in Italy elections were a one day only events (normally a Sunday) and everything worked fine.

    So maybe you check your status the day before and everything is fine, but the day of voting a glitch in the system says it can’t verify your citizenship. That’s it! No votes for you this year!

    There are solutions since the system need to be resilient, note that the glitch could be even not "wanted" so while you can think that $HATED_CANDIDATE want to keep his opponents away from the voting, in the same way $HATED_CANDIDATE want to make sure that his supporters can vote.

  • What happens if someone is illegitimately removed from this database? How can you show whether it was a glitch, or deliberate? How do you know if the information they have about you is even right, or get it changed if you need to? Where's the accountability?

    See the UK Post Office accounting scandal, in which a persistent computer error went unfixed for decades and caused hundreds of post office employees to be fired and dragged through courts for corruption that never happened. A good chunk of them committed suicide. The government and the software company both knew about the bug causing the issue, too, but prosecutions continued. "If the computer says it, it must be right", sort of danger.

    What happens if someone is illegitimately removed from this database?

    That the someone cannot vote. But you can design system resilient to this.

    How can you show whether it was a glitch, or deliberate?

    Paper trail.

    How do you know if the information they have about you is even right, or get it changed if you need to?

    You check it. I mean, when I ask for a document I expect to receive it. And I check if it is correct, after all human error can happen anyway.

    Where’s the accountability?

    Every document from the state (any level) I have has a signature that indicate who is ultimately accountable for it.

  • Citizenship is already required to vote in state and federal elections.

    Then you should have no problem with this because it won't stop anyone who is allowed to vote from voting, will it? 🙂

    Everyone who votes absolutely should be checked to see if they are allowed to vote by citizenship. The only reason to disagree with this would be if you want non-citizens to vote in elections that they're not supposed to.

    I don't trust the people making the national citizenship list to be honest about it.

  • There was talk of establishing a national ID in the 90s but republicans revolted saying it would be the number of the beast. I guess their principles on the matter depend on whether the beast in question is Trump or Clinton. There would definitely be scope creep for such an ID, much like the SSN. I say just make it a national ID and eliminate the need to register to vote.

    They were against the Beast because they didn't know they'd agree with his policies.

  • "illegitimately" is the key word there. I'm not interested in what you think happens if everything is working as intended, or your poor reading comprehension. F-, rewrite your answer and address the question or you'll fail the class and be held back a grade.

    “illegitimately” is the key word there. I’m not interested in what you think happens if everything is working as intended, or your poor reading comprehension

    Oh the irony. Database and procedural logs are automatic and extensive, that's why I mentioned them. No amount of "illegitimate" actions would sidestep them. Go back to school.

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