Next they pay attention and learn algebra

Agree with this, but I don't supply my kids with phones at all, despite their friends having them. If there's an emergency, they can go to the office or ask their teacher. If that's not possible, the school will likely call instead (e.g. when there was a bomb threat a couple of years ago).

I have chosen to not give my kids phones, but I also think other parents should be allowed to choose differently. Everyone's circumstances are different, and I don't want the government stepping in to make parenting decisions for me, even if my decisions would be the same. That's overreach and I will absolutely oppose it.

That's another type of study that is also worthwhile. But the effects of distracted students on teachers and the classroom as a whole is also relevant.

Sure, I just don't trust results from subjective studies, unless it's tracking trends over time. So maybe if they had opinion polls like this before smartphones were a thing in classrooms, while smartphones were a thing, and after they were banned I'd trust the results somewhat. But if we're just tracking an after-the-fact poll, it just feels like confirmation bias. I believe teachers have an incentive to overstate the impact of policies that give them more control, because they want to encourage more such policies, even if they aren't effective at achieving tangible results.

So yeah, I distrust this type of study. I don't think it's necessarily worthless, I just don't think many conclusions can be taken from it.

So they're saying removing distractions improves focus? Woah dude, spoiler warning!

You can conclude that teachers experience a better classroom environment. There was also 1/3 that did observe academic improvement.

E: Also, a teachers subjective experience is still an objective result if you are considering the qol aspect of the policy.

Wat? It’s called a colloquialism. It’s a way to describe something I know you know without needing to spell it out.

You’re basically asserting that anything described using an analogy must inherit all the traits of anything else that analogy is used for, which is just silly. It’s a classic composition/division fallacy.

I don’t think there is a good answer here. I didn’t really want my kids to have phones either but all you’re doing by denying them the primary social tool of their generation is ostracizing them from their peers.

Being a parent sometimes feels like a series of un-winnable choices.

Yeah, except science does not work like that.

Yes, it does. A subjective response can absolutely be an objective result.

This is not a demonstration and this does not qualify as a scientific proof.

They polled teachers. It ir like I polled religious and conclude that God exists because God speaks to most of the people I polled. This is not science, sorry not sorry.

I was super shocked when I saw kids using their phones and laptops in class. When I was in school, the moment your phone went off it was confiscated and you had to pay to get it back at the end of the day. It created this culture amongst the kids that no matter who you were, if your phone went off, people will have coughing fits and make noise to cover it up. Super funny every time it happened too.

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I mostly care about longer term impacts. The ban has only been in place for a year and a half, so it's really not much to go on.

What peers? They mostly play with neighborhood kids, and we have contact info for a few that live further away and arrange things that way. Our kids aren't teenagers yet, but my sister's are and they seem to do fine without phones as well. My friends growing up mostly had phones, and I worked around that as well.

I think people are making a much bigger deal about it than it really is. Maybe it's a larger issue in other areas, but honestly, my kids mostly want one to play games, not contact friends.

We certainly reevaluate regularly, but I'll need a pretty good reason to give my kids their own phones. I'm much more likely to have a loaner they can share, and only for a fixed amount of time.

They where in NL though, you just wheren't allowed to have them in class.
But a lot of people here cycle to school and sometimes though roads that aren't that safe so in that case it was handy to have a mobile phone to call with.

And what if they get into trouble on their way home? Or the way to the bus, supermarket or whatnot?

Teachers can't guage worth a damn

Sure, but it is not a study general public, like us on lemmy, should care about. It needs a follow up before making decisions.

Yet you can already see people calling for phone bans...

Yes, but there's a huge degree of bias whenever you ask people anything. Obviously teachers are going to think phones are detrimental to class focus, and thus they're more likely to say their ban helped with that same focus

Same thing If you asked students, but reversed