Probably not the hottest of markets right now (not just because of Trump and company) and I was in a similar boat when I graduated. My first job was Best Buy (not Geek Squad unfortunately) then tech support then a reporting analyst. Took probably 4 years for me to get into a job where coding was the main aspect.

That being said, I feel bad for any new graduate except for maybe lawyers.

Did she have a portfolio that went beyond school work? Coders are like artists you need a portfolio showing you can do shit without being told to.

I need a big truck in case I need to haul wood from Home Depot once or twice a year, because that's worst case scenario. It needs to be an EV with 1000 mile range, because that's worst case scenario. And I need to make enough to live in Silicon Valley, because that's worst case scenario.

How about $165k guillotine operators?

Hey so just to be clear: a 200k comp package nowadays is the equivalent of about 81k in 1990.

Put another way: I am doing a good bit worse than my dad was at my age, despite being a pretty solid and experienced software engineer, with an EECS degree, and a lot of devops and system design experience.

This is the collapse of the American social contract. Even people like me who are ostensibly in “great” jobs are treated like code monkeys, and adjusted for inflation, it’s flat or worse than 30-35 years ago. We are doing worse than the generation before us. The American Dream is a nightmare.

Individuals buying/renting for themselves don't destroy any housing market.

Scalping companies buying hundreds of houses and apartments in a city to leave them vacant and artificially pump prices do.

Those offers for new grads were always insane and never going to last. That was entirely a sign of the zero interest rate bubble during covid.

Did she have a portfolio that went beyond school work? Coders are like artists you need a portfolio showing you can do shit without being told to.

As a developer who has hired dozens of developers, you definitely don't. It makes no difference, especially in this day and age of AI being able to make websites and programs with ease.

I remember this same article decades ago during the late 90's and early 2000's.

Wait what? Who is making $165k out of college?

I don't even make $165k after working for... I don't know let's say 12 or 15 I can't keep track what counts anymore

My brother in law got fucked by this. Smart kid and beloved by his boss, company folded and now works at a fucking dominos.

Maybe not in US cities. But I’m not talking about the US, I’m not even talking about cities. More like towns with heavily distorted markets thanks to expat parasites.

So, life of a humanities major like my wife. Actually, most majors that weren't STEM.

If it helps anyone in this situation, you can try to bank on other skills. My wife is doing great now but got her start because of her bilingualism, and even that was only 35k a year. My sister did a little better with her music degree by pivoting to community manager, although in her case she had experience modding for a well known streamer. That was pretty good money right out the gate.

Point is, programming isn't your everything, even if you're leveraging something from your personal life.

Parasites. Are those the ones that bring in a bunch of resources and give them to the host?

I suppose it depends on th discipline.

No. I wish that were the case though, then I wouldn’t have any reason to dislike them. But being that It isn’t the case, I’ll continue my campaign of hostility against gringos.

Technically a good burrito though.

I don't make quite that after 8 years of doing this stuff. That being said, I dropped out of college twice. Maybe $100k of debt is what I need to close that $25k difference lol

it’s really not. technically or otherwise.

My first tech job out of college was $55k.

Average in my area for new grads at best is like $85k.

My highest paying was $195k as a Senior and my average is probably $150k as a Senior / Lead.

None of this was big tech though.