Guess maybe coders needed a fucking union after all, who would have guessed that the "rockstar" programmer gravy train wouldn't last forever.

My union got me a raise. And I have a pension of all things. Crazy. In 2025!

Unions are great.

$165,000 tech jobs are still out there. Usually they require at least 10 years experience, or a masters in mathematics or data science.

Fresh out of school? Try a $48-64k job and get some experience.

This is a good thing.

Fuck these kids getting overpaid remote jobs destroying the housing market of poor countries like mine.

Try a $48-64k job and get some experience.

Try renting an apartment in Silicon Valley with a $48k/year paycheck in your pocket.

The starting salaries justified the crazy cost-of-living in a city that wanted $5000/mo for 800 sqft. Now the question becomes how you afford to get the experience in a job that pays below the regional pricetag.

Most tech jobs are outside Silicon Valley. But I see your point, they need to pay cost of living. Its still technical work

Counter offer: Rent an apartment in Bumfuck, Flyover and work for a tech company.

It’s the only way I’ve been able to afford a house.

I mean, its hardly unique to SV or to the Tech Sector broadly speaking. One of the biggest challenges I've seen down in Texas is teachers earning enough money to live in their (comparatively much cheaper than California) school districts.

But I gotta say, I was earning $48k back in 2006 way out in the Houston 'burbs and it was a tight squeeze. Nothing has improved. "Just earn less" doesn't work when you're bumping up against a bunch of landlords and lenders saying "Fuck you, pay me more".

I dont disagree. Yuck. Same salaries, different decade.

I actually made quite a bit more about 4 years ago, but took a downgrade in pay for less work. Worked out well for me. But I see a lot of people floundering right now. I know one person that's been out of a tech job for over a year and had to go back to manual labor after doing a ton of work in tech. At least he got paid unlike the poor saps that get unpaid internships.

What sucks is that was the starting wage when I got into the tech industry back in the early ‘00s

The industry went to shit after non-nerdy people found out there could be a lot of money in tech. Used to be full of other people like me and I really liked it. Now it’s full of people who are equally as enthused about it as they would be to become lawyers or doctors.

Try a $48-64k job and get some experience.

Boomer out of touch take.

Damn. That'd be crazy if anyone was actually hiring anybody with no experience.

I know multiple group chats of people who graduated fresh from college, not even 20% of them have jobs a year after grad. And this is spread across comp sci, cybersecurity, and mech eng.

The entry level job is dead. Every company thinks they can replace the menial shit that entry level workers do to learn with AI slop.

counterpoint: I work in tech for a Fortune 500 and we still have interns and still hire intern classes and kids right out of college.

We just had an intern project showcase, some neat stuff.

We are working with AI but we aren’t stupid, we still need people.

Not in Silicon Valley.

I'm glad I'm retired out of that intense craziness (tax coding in COBOL for DOS version and for some reason Delphi for Windows). Crunch times get old after a while.

Maybe they can go the easy route to big riches (haha) as social influencers. Though not as many make bank as they'd like

Exact same thing here.

If you ignore any company related to “cloud” or “AI”, especially if you focus on tech jobs at companies outside the software industry, there’s still plenty of hiring fresh coders going on.

Yup. Entry level wages have stagnated while food and housing prices have skyrocketed.

Rent an apartment in Bumfuck, Flyover and work for a tech company.

It's amazing how cheap living is when you aren't trying to jam yourself into a city. People talk about how there is a bunch of vacant housing, well, middle of nowhere is where it is! And it's damn cheap.

And now, with 5G and satellite internet both as solid internet sources, it is rare you will find a house that will prevent a work remote job.

The hardest part is really having a separate room for work, especially if other people live with you.