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  • EDITED TO MAKE THE TITLE MORE APPROPRIATE. The previous title of this post was "I need to tell you something unsatisfying: your personal consumption choices will not make a meaningful difference to the amount of enshittification you experience in your life" which was the slug line as it appeared in my mailing-list-to-RSS reader. Although this is the first paragraph of the linked essay, it does not do a good job of explaining the thrust of the essay, and some people (not you though) seem to be arguing with the title instead of the essay.

    (Thanks to ski11erboi@lemmy.world for the heads up.)

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    Here's why you're getting enshittified: we deliberately decided to stop enforcing competition laws. As a result, companies formed monopolies and cartels. This means that they don't have to worry about losing your business or labor to a competitor, because they don't compete. It also means that they can handily capture their regulators, because they can easily agree on a set of policy priorities and use the billions they've amassed by not competing to capture their regulators. They can hold a whip hand over their formerly powerful tech workers, mass-firing them and terrorizing them out of any Tron-inspired conceits about "fighting for the user." Finally, they can use IP law to shut down anyone who makes technology that disenshittifies their offerings.

    I disagree. Boycott works. These days, you vote with your money in a more efficient way than any election.
    You seem to say the problem is politic. You know politics won't change things. So you're just saying it's not your problem anymore.
    But the problem still exists.
    The enshittification stays there.

  • Counterpoint: 🏴☠

    Other counterpoint: good choices and not being an asshole make me happy.

    And another: consumption and people being shitty are unrelated.

  • Would have been better to use a gif of the luigi death stare

  • EDITED TO MAKE THE TITLE MORE APPROPRIATE. The previous title of this post was "I need to tell you something unsatisfying: your personal consumption choices will not make a meaningful difference to the amount of enshittification you experience in your life" which was the slug line as it appeared in my mailing-list-to-RSS reader. Although this is the first paragraph of the linked essay, it does not do a good job of explaining the thrust of the essay, and some people (not you though) seem to be arguing with the title instead of the essay.

    (Thanks to ski11erboi@lemmy.world for the heads up.)

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    Here's why you're getting enshittified: we deliberately decided to stop enforcing competition laws. As a result, companies formed monopolies and cartels. This means that they don't have to worry about losing your business or labor to a competitor, because they don't compete. It also means that they can handily capture their regulators, because they can easily agree on a set of policy priorities and use the billions they've amassed by not competing to capture their regulators. They can hold a whip hand over their formerly powerful tech workers, mass-firing them and terrorizing them out of any Tron-inspired conceits about "fighting for the user." Finally, they can use IP law to shut down anyone who makes technology that disenshittifies their offerings.

    I don’t care.

    I avoid the services as a protest and I also enjoy the alternatives.

    I’m not going to bankrupt them, but I’m not helping them.

  • Defeatism will get us nowhere. The power of the people dethroned kings, and it will dethrone capitalism too.

    I do agree that the actions of a single person are a drop in the bucket, but we can only fill the bucket if many of us offer their single drop. We each must do our part, no matter how insignificant that part may be.

    I think the point this article is trying to make is that while individualistic consumer-level ways to sidestep enshittification do work for those who follow them, they don't fight the bad actors back efficiently and to achieve that it needs to be done collectively.

  • EDITED TO MAKE THE TITLE MORE APPROPRIATE. The previous title of this post was "I need to tell you something unsatisfying: your personal consumption choices will not make a meaningful difference to the amount of enshittification you experience in your life" which was the slug line as it appeared in my mailing-list-to-RSS reader. Although this is the first paragraph of the linked essay, it does not do a good job of explaining the thrust of the essay, and some people (not you though) seem to be arguing with the title instead of the essay.

    (Thanks to ski11erboi@lemmy.world for the heads up.)

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    Here's why you're getting enshittified: we deliberately decided to stop enforcing competition laws. As a result, companies formed monopolies and cartels. This means that they don't have to worry about losing your business or labor to a competitor, because they don't compete. It also means that they can handily capture their regulators, because they can easily agree on a set of policy priorities and use the billions they've amassed by not competing to capture their regulators. They can hold a whip hand over their formerly powerful tech workers, mass-firing them and terrorizing them out of any Tron-inspired conceits about "fighting for the user." Finally, they can use IP law to shut down anyone who makes technology that disenshittifies their offerings.

    First, it looks like this may be a dressed up advertisement for their newly released book:

    My book on Enshittification is coming out in a couple of months, and the early reviews are already coming in, and they are gratifyingly glowing.

    That fact alone doesn't discount their argument, but it should be considered.

    Second, I disagree with this premise of the author:

    Because this isn't an individual problem, it's a systemic one.

    I disagree, its both.

    As the author rightly identifies, there are somethings that are only addressable systemically such as healthcare of mass transport. However a whole other host of items the author references are absolutely individual problems. Example from the author:

    When all your friends are going to a festival, are you really going to opt out because the event requires you to use the Ticketmaster app (because Ticketmaster has a monopoly over event ticketing)?

    Yes, I opt-out of nearly every Ticketmaster event. It is an individual problem with an individual solution.

    If so, you're not gonna have a lot of friends, which is a pretty shitty way to live.

    My friends largely also opt out. Perhaps we self select for like-mindedness.

    This means that they don't have to worry about losing your business or labor to a competitor, because they don't compete.

    They can still lose my business if I opt out of the entire industry, such as corporate social media. No amount of competitors changes my mind on that. This could also be done on streaming services, choosing to read instead etc.

    This isn't just a systemic problem as the author suggests.

  • EDITED TO MAKE THE TITLE MORE APPROPRIATE. The previous title of this post was "I need to tell you something unsatisfying: your personal consumption choices will not make a meaningful difference to the amount of enshittification you experience in your life" which was the slug line as it appeared in my mailing-list-to-RSS reader. Although this is the first paragraph of the linked essay, it does not do a good job of explaining the thrust of the essay, and some people (not you though) seem to be arguing with the title instead of the essay.

    (Thanks to ski11erboi@lemmy.world for the heads up.)

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    Here's why you're getting enshittified: we deliberately decided to stop enforcing competition laws. As a result, companies formed monopolies and cartels. This means that they don't have to worry about losing your business or labor to a competitor, because they don't compete. It also means that they can handily capture their regulators, because they can easily agree on a set of policy priorities and use the billions they've amassed by not competing to capture their regulators. They can hold a whip hand over their formerly powerful tech workers, mass-firing them and terrorizing them out of any Tron-inspired conceits about "fighting for the user." Finally, they can use IP law to shut down anyone who makes technology that disenshittifies their offerings.

    I live without adverts in my life.

    I have no subscription services.

    When a service stops being useful I switch.

    Aside from my steam library, I own everything I own. I don't find this difficult. I'm not missing out, I enjoy films, TV, games, friends, work and life generally.

    My personal choices have made a massive difference to my experiences, if I compare them to the ones I see people talking about on Lemmy.

  • Yeah fuck doing the right thing, just consume as you are told by corporationa... DEFF don't eat any broccoli, they are gross!

    Far be it from me to defend a jumping-off point for discussion, but I didn't see anything in the essay saying that people shouldn't "do the right thing." Just the opposite, in fact ("Do all this! Do more! You'll make your life somewhat better, and in some cases, much better.")

  • First, it looks like this may be a dressed up advertisement for their newly released book:

    My book on Enshittification is coming out in a couple of months, and the early reviews are already coming in, and they are gratifyingly glowing.

    That fact alone doesn't discount their argument, but it should be considered.

    Second, I disagree with this premise of the author:

    Because this isn't an individual problem, it's a systemic one.

    I disagree, its both.

    As the author rightly identifies, there are somethings that are only addressable systemically such as healthcare of mass transport. However a whole other host of items the author references are absolutely individual problems. Example from the author:

    When all your friends are going to a festival, are you really going to opt out because the event requires you to use the Ticketmaster app (because Ticketmaster has a monopoly over event ticketing)?

    Yes, I opt-out of nearly every Ticketmaster event. It is an individual problem with an individual solution.

    If so, you're not gonna have a lot of friends, which is a pretty shitty way to live.

    My friends largely also opt out. Perhaps we self select for like-mindedness.

    This means that they don't have to worry about losing your business or labor to a competitor, because they don't compete.

    They can still lose my business if I opt out of the entire industry, such as corporate social media. No amount of competitors changes my mind on that. This could also be done on streaming services, choosing to read instead etc.

    This isn't just a systemic problem as the author suggests.

    Your assessment is spot on.

    If so, you’re not gonna have a lot of friends, which is a pretty shitty way to live.

    Or you choose friends who will stay your friends even if you miss a concert???

  • I think the point this article is trying to make is that while individualistic consumer-level ways to sidestep enshittification do work for those who follow them, they don't fight the bad actors back efficiently and to achieve that it needs to be done collectively.

    Thank you for pointing this out. I honestly missed the link completely! I'm not usually the type to comment on a post that links to an article without reading it. Oops.

  • I disagree. Boycott works. These days, you vote with your money in a more efficient way than any election.
    You seem to say the problem is politic. You know politics won't change things. So you're just saying it's not your problem anymore.
    But the problem still exists.
    The enshittification stays there.

    Well, it's Cory Doctorow doing the saying.

    But in my own opinion, boycotts work for products and services that you pay for; personally refusing to use services that rely on money from other business, less so. The #DeleteFacebook movement has existed since at least 2017. Twitter loudly hemorrhaged users after the Musk buyout. "DeGoogle" has been a thing since 2006. Small business, progressives, and others have been advocating boycotting Amazon for over a decade... and yet they all still exist, they are all still bad actors, and show no signs of getting any better.

    The people who have left those services are better off, and that's good -- better than good! But these corporate ogres haven't stopped destroying society because of it. They haven't even slowed down.

    To look at it another way: ALL of these corpos fear government regulation, especially in labor and fair business practices: You know that's true because they ALL spend billions fighting it tooth and nail.

  • Defeatism will get us nowhere. The power of the people dethroned kings, and it will dethrone capitalism too.

    I do agree that the actions of a single person are a drop in the bucket, but we can only fill the bucket if many of us offer their single drop. We each must do our part, no matter how insignificant that part may be.

    Defeatism will get us nowhere.

    I agree! And, I think the linked essay agrees, also? I mean the last sentence literally says, "You can't fight enshittification. But together, we can."

    That sounds very different than, "Acceptance of or resignation to the prospect of defeat. Acceptance of the inevitability of defeat. Acceptance of defeat without struggle."

  • Thank you for pointing this out. I honestly missed the link completely! I'm not usually the type to comment on a post that links to an article without reading it. Oops.

    Oh yeah the blog post is helper not doomer, but actually your point still stands anyways.

  • Defeatism will get us nowhere.

    I agree! And, I think the linked essay agrees, also? I mean the last sentence literally says, "You can't fight enshittification. But together, we can."

    That sounds very different than, "Acceptance of or resignation to the prospect of defeat. Acceptance of the inevitability of defeat. Acceptance of defeat without struggle."

    I actually didn't even notice the link to the article. Oops. Thanks for pointing that out.

  • I don’t care.

    I avoid the services as a protest and I also enjoy the alternatives.

    I’m not going to bankrupt them, but I’m not helping them.

    I’m not going to bankrupt them, but I’m not helping them.

    That's good!

    If you ever want to step up to hurting them, you'll probably need to party up.

  • EDITED TO MAKE THE TITLE MORE APPROPRIATE. The previous title of this post was "I need to tell you something unsatisfying: your personal consumption choices will not make a meaningful difference to the amount of enshittification you experience in your life" which was the slug line as it appeared in my mailing-list-to-RSS reader. Although this is the first paragraph of the linked essay, it does not do a good job of explaining the thrust of the essay, and some people (not you though) seem to be arguing with the title instead of the essay.

    (Thanks to ski11erboi@lemmy.world for the heads up.)

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    Here's why you're getting enshittified: we deliberately decided to stop enforcing competition laws. As a result, companies formed monopolies and cartels. This means that they don't have to worry about losing your business or labor to a competitor, because they don't compete. It also means that they can handily capture their regulators, because they can easily agree on a set of policy priorities and use the billions they've amassed by not competing to capture their regulators. They can hold a whip hand over their formerly powerful tech workers, mass-firing them and terrorizing them out of any Tron-inspired conceits about "fighting for the user." Finally, they can use IP law to shut down anyone who makes technology that disenshittifies their offerings.

    I self-host open source software, pay for services that I don't want to host (email, etc) and I prefer buying things to subscribing/renting things. I experience far less enshittification than most as a result.

  • First, it looks like this may be a dressed up advertisement for their newly released book:

    My book on Enshittification is coming out in a couple of months, and the early reviews are already coming in, and they are gratifyingly glowing.

    That fact alone doesn't discount their argument, but it should be considered.

    Second, I disagree with this premise of the author:

    Because this isn't an individual problem, it's a systemic one.

    I disagree, its both.

    As the author rightly identifies, there are somethings that are only addressable systemically such as healthcare of mass transport. However a whole other host of items the author references are absolutely individual problems. Example from the author:

    When all your friends are going to a festival, are you really going to opt out because the event requires you to use the Ticketmaster app (because Ticketmaster has a monopoly over event ticketing)?

    Yes, I opt-out of nearly every Ticketmaster event. It is an individual problem with an individual solution.

    If so, you're not gonna have a lot of friends, which is a pretty shitty way to live.

    My friends largely also opt out. Perhaps we self select for like-mindedness.

    This means that they don't have to worry about losing your business or labor to a competitor, because they don't compete.

    They can still lose my business if I opt out of the entire industry, such as corporate social media. No amount of competitors changes my mind on that. This could also be done on streaming services, choosing to read instead etc.

    This isn't just a systemic problem as the author suggests.

    First, it looks like this may be a dressed up advertisement for their newly released book:

    To be fair, this is a web archive of Cory Doctorow's email newsletter, normally sent to a self-selecting audience that expects to see Cory try to sell us his stuff. But also, as the coiner of "enshittification" this is a subject he's been examining for many years.

  • EDITED TO MAKE THE TITLE MORE APPROPRIATE. The previous title of this post was "I need to tell you something unsatisfying: your personal consumption choices will not make a meaningful difference to the amount of enshittification you experience in your life" which was the slug line as it appeared in my mailing-list-to-RSS reader. Although this is the first paragraph of the linked essay, it does not do a good job of explaining the thrust of the essay, and some people (not you though) seem to be arguing with the title instead of the essay.

    (Thanks to ski11erboi@lemmy.world for the heads up.)

    END OF EDITED SECTION

    Here's why you're getting enshittified: we deliberately decided to stop enforcing competition laws. As a result, companies formed monopolies and cartels. This means that they don't have to worry about losing your business or labor to a competitor, because they don't compete. It also means that they can handily capture their regulators, because they can easily agree on a set of policy priorities and use the billions they've amassed by not competing to capture their regulators. They can hold a whip hand over their formerly powerful tech workers, mass-firing them and terrorizing them out of any Tron-inspired conceits about "fighting for the user." Finally, they can use IP law to shut down anyone who makes technology that disenshittifies their offerings.

    Well, I guess the prerogative is on the rest of us non-Americans to break unjust American IP laws to counteract the lack of enforcement of anti-trust laws, or make laws in other countries that better enforce competition laws on American companies.

    I have a glimmer of hope that Europe is getting in gear somewhat for that.

    I do like Cory's overall point about needing to think more of solidarity than individual choices, but I disagree on discounting them completely, those choices do carry a certain degree of importance as well in effecting systemic change. Saying, "well, society isn't changing, enshittification isn't going anywhere so I shouldn't bother changing my habits" won't get us anywhere. It has had real effects.

    Things that start in the margins have the ability to get noticed by big players and then bring about change. A couple examples: Linux gaming is in a viable state that was unimaginable 8 years ago. The Canadian boycott of US products and travel has had a very measurable affect on US tourism and select industries, and has spread to other countries. Valve nor the Canadian government started either of those efforts, but they helped signal-boost and take concrete supportive actions when they see that even a small group of people independently have supported that change already.

  • Tldr; Join physical movements like a union to focus on actual laws being created and/or enforced while shitting on people for doing anything that else that may be positive


    Also tries to sell their book bragging about how early reviews are raving about it. Provocative for clicks to say obvious shit that they're selling. "Bruh, join a union. We need to organize a popular political party. "

    Also their conclusion doesn't read to me like it actually goes against personal conscious consumption choice. Like saying join a movement as if a movement doesn't start with a bunch of individuals making choices about how they spend their time, use their money, speak their opinion, etc and figuring out all these individuals have a lot in common and have a common point to organize around

    Article is like, "ya Linux, Signal, Mastodon, etc. But they're all niche and you as an individual make so little difference so join a movement."

    Linux is probably the most used kernel for operating systems in the world. Not a good example. Backend operating system for the Internet. Signal is far more popular than a decade ago. Don't know about Mastodon. Regardless if people aren't being encouraged to engage in more private and/or decentralized Internet, why the fuck would they be engaged enough to go to some political meetup about something they don't individually engage with and develop personal interest towards. Collective action starts with developing individual interests that converge to a collective group of individuals with shared interests.

    Telling people to join movements while telling people, well actually not those movements

    Also shit on people's good causes and their small actions and not realize that those little things keep people engaged and they're potential conversation points to bring people into more direct organized action.

    Then after complaining about small niche movements that apparently won't amount to anything long term, they point out small niche organizations that for some reason will grow and amount to something long term for reasons I imagine being that they care more about those than using decentralized and open source software (services)

    The great news is that he's on Mastodon, if you'd like to reach out: @pluralistic@mamot.fr

    He might care a little about distributed services.