Tesla's European car sales nosedive for fifth month as customers switch to Chinese EVs
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You' ve been explained this whole scenario years ago when Putin was pushing for Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok.
That was EU chance to get dirt cheap energy and raw materials.
And now - EU heavy industry is dying, car manufacturers are sold to China one by one. Decision made decade+ ago.
You’ ve been explained this whole scenario years ago when Putin was pushing for Europe from Lisbon to Vladivostok.
That was EU chance to get dirt cheap energy and raw materials.
what?
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Competition is good for the consumer. More options from more players will encourage more charging infrastructure and (ostensibly) more innovation. It's not just Elon Musk vs China. Every automaker that wants to sell cars in the USA is on notice. If they want to compete in the EV subcategory, they need to focus on price and performance. People want budget-conscious EVs.
Competition is good for the consumer.
except what is happening now is not really any kind of fair competition. the european manufacturers exported they know-how to china, which was strategic failure, it was stolen, and now it is sold back to us with the advantage of cheap chinese production.
they will ruin our production and we will be in a similar situation where we were during covid, when the political leadership were saluting the china cargo airplanes on tarmac, otherwise it would not bring us masks, syringes, or any other stuff whose production we had given up and outsourced to china
unless we turn the ship around quite soon, we will be regretting it soon and for a long time.
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but saying that a Chinese company isn't "under the control of Xi Jinping", the guy who crushed Hong Kong for having too much independence and wants to do the same with Taiwan, is laughable.
Just take that sentence at face value and consider the ridiculousness of actually believing the guy alone has that amount of crushing power.
You're just regurgitating unfounded US propaganda which, this being Lemmy, is very unfortunate to see.
the guy alone has that amount of crushing power.
Nobody of right mind takes this at face value. This isn't a pro wrestling heavyweight championship belt, with Jinping suplexing the Hong Kong protestors.
It's obviously as head of an autoritarian communist regime, using corona measures and a militarized police to suppress people for the extravagant act of desiring freedom from the CCP.
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the country of free market capitalism...
I don't think that has ever been true, really. Nor should it be, Laissez Faire is a trainwreck waiting to happen, probably literally and figuratively.
Textbooks will tell you that the USA, and other countries like China and Russia, are a regulated "Market System" which in some markets teeters on strict Oligopoly.
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In a couple months a drug fueled musk did to the US what Xi and Putin have been trying to do for decades. It most certainly wasn't just his salute that made me think that.
You could change my mind if you brought any information to the table that shows how those two are worse than musk.
Enjoy your day.
Xi became president for life almost a decade ago, Putin ignored term limits in like 2008. Musk is failing to do what they have done, and he doesn't even express any real power over the president given he hid his role from the courts and left the white house with a black eye.
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the guy alone has that amount of crushing power.
Nobody of right mind takes this at face value. This isn't a pro wrestling heavyweight championship belt, with Jinping suplexing the Hong Kong protestors.
It's obviously as head of an autoritarian communist regime, using corona measures and a militarized police to suppress people for the extravagant act of desiring freedom from the CCP.
But even that is incorrect.
Yes, Xi Jinping is powerful as the Chairman of the party, but the communist party of China is not the military, and there is a fair amount of decentralization in decision making.
Further, the guy above goes "look at how Xi is suplexing Taiwan?!?!" even though he isn't because guess what, he doesn't actually have the power to do so.
Also, none of this has anything to do with the topic of EV production, which is in the hands of a private company which largely operates independently of the government, much like millions of other companies that operate in China.
Which is why I said the dude is just spewing brainless US state propaganda and Red Herring.
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SpaceX should be nationalized. We paid for it, it's ours.
I don't know why you didn't just fund NASA properly.
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Even before the current political situation I wouldn't have bought a Tesla. They have a documented quality problem and not very good customer service at least outside of the US.
Why would I buy a car that is not only more likely than most to break but when it does break it's hard to get fixed. Spare parts are notoriously hard to get hold of and you usually have to deal with Tesla directly which is a problem because they don't have a lot of dealerships in the UK. Also they won't come to you, so if your car won't start you have to arrange a pickup.
They have terrible customer service in the US too. I think it's their business model: find people who enjoy being treated like an asshole and sell them overpriced shit.
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USA could have spent money developing an electrified economy but the republicans are focusing on bringing back coal mining and reshoring shoe manufacturing instead.
This admin has set the USA back 100 years.
ETA - what I mean is that China is rampaging on in electrification, developing manufacturing skills, infrastructure, and design/engineering/technology around renewables and electrification. Europe is thinking about it but not going crazy to the extent China is, because legacy - China doesn’t have 100 years of cars and 150 years of trains; they’re building new. USA meanwhile is actively regressing under Republican policies.
bringing back coal mining and horseshoe manufacturing
I think my glasses are smudged
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Oddly libertarians never acknowledge that market leaders ask for theses things. The biggest threat to the free market are capitalists themselves.
They know, they just have too much invested in their 401k to think about their own best interests. Sold themselves and their future families for a couple more % points of growth yearly.
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But even that is incorrect.
Yes, Xi Jinping is powerful as the Chairman of the party, but the communist party of China is not the military, and there is a fair amount of decentralization in decision making.
Further, the guy above goes "look at how Xi is suplexing Taiwan?!?!" even though he isn't because guess what, he doesn't actually have the power to do so.
Also, none of this has anything to do with the topic of EV production, which is in the hands of a private company which largely operates independently of the government, much like millions of other companies that operate in China.
Which is why I said the dude is just spewing brainless US state propaganda and Red Herring.
Further, the guy above goes "look at how Xi is suplexing Taiwan?!?!"
I think you're the only one reading it that way. The rest of us understand that it happens within a context of an autoritarian regime.
which is in the hands of a private company which largely operates independently of the government
Independent untill the party decides they're not independent. (Eg).
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Okay there's a ton of spyware in the car, but - just . . don't . . . connect it. Or whatever.
And you think ICE cars don't have spyware these days?
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Here in the UK Musk is just seen as an idiot. Some decent European EV solutions coming along but the Chinese cars are so much better value than Tesla OR the main European makes. Couldn't happen to a nicer megalomaniac and as a plus I love seeing the monthly SpaceX explosions
It's not just the UK that sees his as an idiot. The world sees him this way, and that's because he is one. Also an egomaniac.
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Further, the guy above goes "look at how Xi is suplexing Taiwan?!?!"
I think you're the only one reading it that way. The rest of us understand that it happens within a context of an autoritarian regime.
which is in the hands of a private company which largely operates independently of the government
Independent untill the party decides they're not independent. (Eg).
Independent untill the party decides they're not independent. (Eg).
Again another non-sequitor that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Nobody disagrees that China doesn't like people publicly criticizing their government.
That has rigorously NOTHING to do with the normal operation of companies that do not engage with politics in China, which is what I was talking about before you barged in.
Also, it is the US that has been kidnapping people into unmarked vans and arresting people at airport, detaining them for however long, and deporting them to countries that aren't their own for as little as having a meme criticizing the current US regime.
So really, which one is the dictatorship?
The sooner we stop seeing China as enemies, the better. We need them more than ever now that the US has decided to go full mask off.
BYD is free to operate as it wishes in China, along with several millions of other companies. And their products are good.
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And you think ICE cars don't have spyware these days?
I dunno, ICE cars weren't on my list to start with. I assume.
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I don't know why you didn't just fund NASA properly.
Sure, just let me change the payee on this check
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Independent untill the party decides they're not independent. (Eg).
Again another non-sequitor that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Nobody disagrees that China doesn't like people publicly criticizing their government.
That has rigorously NOTHING to do with the normal operation of companies that do not engage with politics in China, which is what I was talking about before you barged in.
Also, it is the US that has been kidnapping people into unmarked vans and arresting people at airport, detaining them for however long, and deporting them to countries that aren't their own for as little as having a meme criticizing the current US regime.
So really, which one is the dictatorship?
The sooner we stop seeing China as enemies, the better. We need them more than ever now that the US has decided to go full mask off.
BYD is free to operate as it wishes in China, along with several millions of other companies. And their products are good.
that do not engage with politics in China
There's no such thing. A person nor company can unilaterally decide "not to engage with politics", as politics engages with them in thousands of ways. The best they can do is self-censorship, which, even when successfull, is in itself a form of political engagement.
which one is the dictatorship?
False dichotomy
We need them more than ever now that the US has decided to go full mask off.
Who's "we" in this case? And why would they "need" someone now, because of stuff in the US?
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I don't know why you didn't just fund NASA properly.
Government agencies can't bribe as good. Our politicians are whipped dogs who sell the free world for less than an F-150 a year in kickbacks.
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that do not engage with politics in China
There's no such thing. A person nor company can unilaterally decide "not to engage with politics", as politics engages with them in thousands of ways. The best they can do is self-censorship, which, even when successfull, is in itself a form of political engagement.
which one is the dictatorship?
False dichotomy
We need them more than ever now that the US has decided to go full mask off.
Who's "we" in this case? And why would they "need" someone now, because of stuff in the US?
We as in Europeans, which I assume most of the user base here to be, unlike Reddit. Sorry if my assumption bothers you.
