Tesla's European car sales nosedive for fifth month as customers switch to Chinese EVs
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Okay there's a ton of spyware in the car, but - just . . don't . . . connect it. Or whatever.
And you think ICE cars don't have spyware these days?
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Here in the UK Musk is just seen as an idiot. Some decent European EV solutions coming along but the Chinese cars are so much better value than Tesla OR the main European makes. Couldn't happen to a nicer megalomaniac and as a plus I love seeing the monthly SpaceX explosions
It's not just the UK that sees his as an idiot. The world sees him this way, and that's because he is one. Also an egomaniac.
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Further, the guy above goes "look at how Xi is suplexing Taiwan?!?!"
I think you're the only one reading it that way. The rest of us understand that it happens within a context of an autoritarian regime.
which is in the hands of a private company which largely operates independently of the government
Independent untill the party decides they're not independent. (Eg).
Independent untill the party decides they're not independent. (Eg).
Again another non-sequitor that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Nobody disagrees that China doesn't like people publicly criticizing their government.
That has rigorously NOTHING to do with the normal operation of companies that do not engage with politics in China, which is what I was talking about before you barged in.
Also, it is the US that has been kidnapping people into unmarked vans and arresting people at airport, detaining them for however long, and deporting them to countries that aren't their own for as little as having a meme criticizing the current US regime.
So really, which one is the dictatorship?
The sooner we stop seeing China as enemies, the better. We need them more than ever now that the US has decided to go full mask off.
BYD is free to operate as it wishes in China, along with several millions of other companies. And their products are good.
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And you think ICE cars don't have spyware these days?
I dunno, ICE cars weren't on my list to start with. I assume.
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I don't know why you didn't just fund NASA properly.
Sure, just let me change the payee on this check
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Independent untill the party decides they're not independent. (Eg).
Again another non-sequitor that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Nobody disagrees that China doesn't like people publicly criticizing their government.
That has rigorously NOTHING to do with the normal operation of companies that do not engage with politics in China, which is what I was talking about before you barged in.
Also, it is the US that has been kidnapping people into unmarked vans and arresting people at airport, detaining them for however long, and deporting them to countries that aren't their own for as little as having a meme criticizing the current US regime.
So really, which one is the dictatorship?
The sooner we stop seeing China as enemies, the better. We need them more than ever now that the US has decided to go full mask off.
BYD is free to operate as it wishes in China, along with several millions of other companies. And their products are good.
that do not engage with politics in China
There's no such thing. A person nor company can unilaterally decide "not to engage with politics", as politics engages with them in thousands of ways. The best they can do is self-censorship, which, even when successfull, is in itself a form of political engagement.
which one is the dictatorship?
False dichotomy
We need them more than ever now that the US has decided to go full mask off.
Who's "we" in this case? And why would they "need" someone now, because of stuff in the US?
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I don't know why you didn't just fund NASA properly.
Government agencies can't bribe as good. Our politicians are whipped dogs who sell the free world for less than an F-150 a year in kickbacks.
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that do not engage with politics in China
There's no such thing. A person nor company can unilaterally decide "not to engage with politics", as politics engages with them in thousands of ways. The best they can do is self-censorship, which, even when successfull, is in itself a form of political engagement.
which one is the dictatorship?
False dichotomy
We need them more than ever now that the US has decided to go full mask off.
Who's "we" in this case? And why would they "need" someone now, because of stuff in the US?
We as in Europeans, which I assume most of the user base here to be, unlike Reddit. Sorry if my assumption bothers you.
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I don't think that has ever been true, really. Nor should it be, Laissez Faire is a trainwreck waiting to happen, probably literally and figuratively.
Textbooks will tell you that the USA, and other countries like China and Russia, are a regulated "Market System" which in some markets teeters on strict Oligopoly.
it's only true in propaganda.
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Data published Wednesday by ACEA found that Tesla’s car sales in the European Union, Britain and the European Free Trade Association fell to 13,863 units in May, down 27.9% year on year.
Tesla’s European market share also dropped to 1.2% from 1.8% in May 2024.
European/other than China EV makers also did well, that this and other headlines this year, intentionally obfuscate. The combination of both above numbers means overall EV growth was about 25%. 93% is non US/China.
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China would love so much to rule the world, that’s why it hasn’t entered any war in the past 40+ years
the global south are happy to enter the comparably advantageous economic deals
are they happy? and are the deals advantageous? can you back up your claims?
As for “dictator”, look at the approval rates of Xi in China
oh yes, the approval rating of a dictator in a dictatorship is very valid metric
. (hint hint: they are irrelevant even if they were not fixed. any kind of approval rating bears zero relevance to whether the country is a totalitarian state or not, or whether the country is a threat to its neighbours or not).So, no wars, got it. Just overtaking the US through soft power and economic prowess, lmao.
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Xi became president for life almost a decade ago, Putin ignored term limits in like 2008. Musk is failing to do what they have done, and he doesn't even express any real power over the president given he hid his role from the courts and left the white house with a black eye.
And? I concede that both of them are doing their best to end US as a superpower, but when was the last time either of them cost the US $500 Billion in tax revenue as well putting 283,000 Americans out of work in just 4 months? Again this all goes back to a car company that isn't run by Xi or Putin. Tesla is run by a Nazi.
The report shows that “DOGE Actions” led to 283,172 job cuts in the first four months of 2025, and “DOGE Downstream Impact” was cited as the reason for another 6,945 job losses, which the report indicates largely come from non-profits and education organizations.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5278325-doge-layoffs-job-cuts-report/
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And? I concede that both of them are doing their best to end US as a superpower, but when was the last time either of them cost the US $500 Billion in tax revenue as well putting 283,000 Americans out of work in just 4 months? Again this all goes back to a car company that isn't run by Xi or Putin. Tesla is run by a Nazi.
The report shows that “DOGE Actions” led to 283,172 job cuts in the first four months of 2025, and “DOGE Downstream Impact” was cited as the reason for another 6,945 job losses, which the report indicates largely come from non-profits and education organizations.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5278325-doge-layoffs-job-cuts-report/
You could make the argument that Russian interference helped give us Trump in 2016 and that Chinese Military run TikTok's promotion helped him in 2024, so yes those two actually did do that pretty recently, yeah.
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USA could have spent money developing an electrified economy but the republicans are focusing on bringing back coal mining and reshoring shoe manufacturing instead.
This admin has set the USA back 100 years.
ETA - what I mean is that China is rampaging on in electrification, developing manufacturing skills, infrastructure, and design/engineering/technology around renewables and electrification. Europe is thinking about it but not going crazy to the extent China is, because legacy - China doesn’t have 100 years of cars and 150 years of trains; they’re building new. USA meanwhile is actively regressing under Republican policies.
Apparantly they have also been removing bike lanes in some area’s….
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It would be under NASA, but the argument is moot, since it wouldn't happen under a MAGA Nazi administration. It will have to wait until Americans take back our government. Then we can nationalize Space X, confiscate the DOGE Goblin's fortune, and deport him back to South Africa.
Prison will be perfectly fine for him. That or the neck trimmer.
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You could make the argument that Russian interference helped give us Trump in 2016 and that Chinese Military run TikTok's promotion helped him in 2024, so yes those two actually did do that pretty recently, yeah.
You sure could argue that. Correlation doesn't equal causation. You could also contribute trump's 2024 win to the 10 million less democrats who decided not to vote. I doubt all 10 million of those were because of tiktok.
musk didn't own twitter or contribute $220 million to trump's campaign in 2016 either.
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Government agencies can't bribe as good. Our politicians are whipped dogs who sell the free world for less than an F-150 a year in kickbacks.
For those maybe blissfully ignorant of car culture that's an F-150 (the grocery getter for fragile egos) oversized pickup truck , and not some fighter jet.
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You sure could argue that. Correlation doesn't equal causation. You could also contribute trump's 2024 win to the 10 million less democrats who decided not to vote. I doubt all 10 million of those were because of tiktok.
musk didn't own twitter or contribute $220 million to trump's campaign in 2016 either.
No, correlation doesn't equal causation, but causation certainly is causation, so maybe those violent dictatorships aren't better than the third one they're attempting to create.
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and the people rejoice
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This is one of the reason that the USA being heavy handed with Chinese is going to bite us in the ass. While in the USA, we bury our heads in the sand and GM, Tesla and etc. all crank out $95,000 giant trucks/SUVs, some companies in China are making very, very affordable vehicles. These aren't necessarily garbage either -- there's models available for almost any price point.
What WOULD be really smart and forward thinking is if in the USA, the domestic brands also make some affordable models to get EV more popular. However, they are addicted to fat profit margins, and thanks to all the protectionism, they don't need to worry about offshore models being "better".
While other nations either develop and/or import affordable EVs, we're effectively banning them. This is all going to end up with a giant wake up call for American auto-manufacturers when the protections/tariffs are ultimately lifted and they HAVE to compete.
I think it would be great if the tariffs came with huge incentives for domestic manufacturers and motivated them to be competitive. Instead, it's just letting them segment the market for a few years and make a killing. Who loses? The people...
