Mastercard and Visa face backlash after hundreds of adult games removed from online stores Steam and Itch.io
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Diners Club is Discover, and they got bought up by Capital One a couple months ago. So you'll only really have Amex left.
Amex is expensive as fuck for shop owners. I'd boycott them too.
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In Italy, there's a debit card circuit called PagoBancomat.
Italy also has a digital-only payment system called Satispay. Denmark and Finland have MobilePay (which is way better than Satispay). Sweden has Swish.
Your country may have something similar, look it up. And then you can always pay with PayPal by connecting your bank account directly, with no cards involved (at least in Europe).
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"[Elon Musk] said he wanted to get his own X payments platform «going soon»".
Surely that's going to solve the problem. There's absolutely no censorship on Twitter. /s
Oh it'll be interesting to see how he manages to make a worse payment processor than PayPal. I wouldn't have thought it was possible.
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At the cost of a less stable value, you can convert your currency to BTC, store it on a physical wallet like those made by Ledger and self-host BTCPay Server to make receiving money easier (alt cryptocurrency available via integrations). As for spending, that depends entirely on the recipient cooperating and accepting BTC. There are also 'payment gateways' that should help, including self-hosting a verifiable debit card. I'm still looking into it.
Unfortunately crypto is already complicated as is. And as the other user said bitcoin isn't the best choice. Monero would be as close to the overall goal as it is possible.
Now using monero would be more anonymous than credit/debit cards making it a better option - but not many vendors support it, and cash is just simpler than any other option.
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What's even the argument here? Steam already has parental control options, age gates, and content filters... if you don't want your kids seeing that shit on steam, then, like, don't let em?
...meanwhile, let's just continue shoving blatant gambling down minors' throats in the form of lootboxes.
This group isn't interested in protecting children they're just interested in pushing their own beliefs on everybody else. The easiest way they can do that is to pretend that they're interested in children. Which I'm sure some of them are, but not in the capacity that anyone wants them to be.
It's a classic right-wing tactic. Because nobody wants to be against a law that protects children.
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But more fascists
It's amazing how they have a book that tells them to love everybody and somehow they've taken that, and turned it into oppress everybody.
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Feels like we're going back to the 90s/00s "Christian parents against video games" moral panic era. But this time, they're being appeased more heavily.
I despise conservatism. It destroys everything it touches.
Just as long as they get rid of dungeons and dragons. Everyone knows that's the real danger in our society.
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Discover, American Express, Diner’s Club, and the one that still rules them all, Cash. There are probably others, but Visa and Mastercard are the two largest.
Visa and MasterCard really are the only two you see in Europe
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They got together enough people to mass email, that is all it took.
Companies tend to multiply received responses to represent the total number of people who were to lazy to complain, so Visa and MasterCard saw 1,000 emails as 10,000,000 in their risk averse actions.
Now 4chan is pissed and have started their own mass email and phonecall campaign, so we shall see where this goes...
Visa also have a fairly well documented history of kowtowing to Christian groups. The CEO of their Asian division is a right-wing religious fanatic who hates, well he's a religious fanatic so you know what he hates, but it's basically everything and everybody.
They don't like Japanese anime very much as well, probably because they think it's all pornography (anime does tend to have that bent, but it's not all pornography).
The thing is on their website they claim not to make moral judgements about purchasers, they claim to authorise anything that isn't actually illegal, so they should be totally fine with pornography and anime. If they are going to be right-wing religious fundamentalists at least they could be honest about it on their website.
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Who do you even email for that? mastercard@gmail.com?
I assume they own their own domain.
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And we're the ones spending the money
That's really what I don't get. Why make it impossible for people to give you money. That doesn't seem to be the way capitalism is supposed to operate if something is popular then you should allow it.
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I’d bet real money that the CEO of Collective Shout has CSAM on one or more of their computers.
The bookies wouldn't even give you numbers on that. You can't bet on a sure thing.
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I’d love to boycott them, but literally everything I do uses one of those 2.
Yeah there doesn't seem to be any alternatives in my country other than cash which doesn't work for online purchases.
Apparently there is a complicated thing I can do where I have to go to the post office and then I can send money directly to a company. But that's really inconvenient (it's like a 30-second walk from my house, I'm not doing that) and I don't think steam accepts that payment method anyway. In fact I've never heard of anyone except that payment method so I don't really understand why it exists.
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They precisely can and they kinda just did. "Think of the children" is the magic phrase to shut down critical thinking and give you carte blanche to do whatever you want.
Not always. School shootings happen and suddenly crickets on gun control. "Think of the children" only applies to moral outrage, not tangible physical threat prevention. Also applies to school lunches and any other actual tangible thing to ACTUALLY benefit general child welfare.
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"[Elon Musk] said he wanted to get his own X payments platform «going soon»".
Surely that's going to solve the problem. There's absolutely no censorship on Twitter. /s
When there are enough competing parties, the argument of "I live in country A and I don't care about B's special services reading my messages", where A and B are in a state of adversity, starts working.
By competing parties I mean not just A and B, but a plethora of snakes in that pit.
So - do it Elon. It's fine.
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Collective Shout, a small but vocal lobby group, has long called for a mandatory internet filter that would prevent access to adult content for everyone in Australia. Its director, Melinda Tankard Reist, was recently appointed to the stakeholder advisory board for the government’s age assurance technology trial before the under-16s social media ban comes into effect in Australia in December.
Mastercard and Visa face backlash after hundreds of adult games removed from online stores Steam and Itch.io
Payment platforms demand services remove NSFW content after open letter from Australian anti-porn group Collective Shout, triggering accusations of censorship
the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)
So sick of conservatives forcing their beliefs on others. Filter your own content, use parents controls, don’t ban everything you don’t like because of your arrogant belief in made up morality. Morality is relative and religion does not give your opinions weight.
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Not always. School shootings happen and suddenly crickets on gun control. "Think of the children" only applies to moral outrage, not tangible physical threat prevention. Also applies to school lunches and any other actual tangible thing to ACTUALLY benefit general child welfare.
Sure, I implied moral outrage. It's not like they actually give a damn about the children.
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Didn't know that, thanks
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I too am a bit speechless that two companies get to censor what all stores are allowed to sell.
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Collective Shout, a small but vocal lobby group, has long called for a mandatory internet filter that would prevent access to adult content for everyone in Australia. Its director, Melinda Tankard Reist, was recently appointed to the stakeholder advisory board for the government’s age assurance technology trial before the under-16s social media ban comes into effect in Australia in December.
Mastercard and Visa face backlash after hundreds of adult games removed from online stores Steam and Itch.io
Payment platforms demand services remove NSFW content after open letter from Australian anti-porn group Collective Shout, triggering accusations of censorship
the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)
To clarify against what many people jump to assume: Collective Shout is not a religious organization. Its stated goal is protecting children against content they believe may help form dangerous and abusive behaviors in real life. (Needless to say, science does not seem to back these claims)
This doesn't make them right by any means at all, but we need to understand our enemy if we want to be productive in fighting it.
