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'I can't drink the water' - life next to a US data centre

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    The company commissioned an independent groundwater study to investigate Morris's concerns. According to the report, its data center operation did "not adversely affect groundwater conditions in the area".

    I’ve lived with well water. You must filter it and test it regularly because it changes. It can also go dry.

    Edit:

    The article is also claiming humid areas are good for evaporative cooling, which is incorrect.

    Also that above ground runoff is affecting a well is hard to believe. Wells are deep enough that natural filtration removes any sediment.

    The whole article is questionable.

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    They have no laws to protect their water?

    Or is this one of the things that Trump/Musk have destroyed?

  • The company commissioned an independent groundwater study to investigate Morris's concerns. According to the report, its data center operation did "not adversely affect groundwater conditions in the area".

    I’ve lived with well water. You must filter it and test it regularly because it changes. It can also go dry.

    Edit:

    The article is also claiming humid areas are good for evaporative cooling, which is incorrect.

    Also that above ground runoff is affecting a well is hard to believe. Wells are deep enough that natural filtration removes any sediment.

    The whole article is questionable.

    I have to filter the local water too because it's very hard and tastes like crap. Hilariously the filter will eventually start to grow algae

  • I have to filter the local water too because it's very hard and tastes like crap. Hilariously the filter will eventually start to grow algae

    I have to filter the local water too because it's very hard and tastes like crap. Hilariously the filter will eventually start to grow algae

    algae isn't about water quality, but sun. You either don't change your filter frequently or your place has a nice exposure to sun (or both, of course)

  • The company commissioned an independent groundwater study to investigate Morris's concerns. According to the report, its data center operation did "not adversely affect groundwater conditions in the area".

    I’ve lived with well water. You must filter it and test it regularly because it changes. It can also go dry.

    Edit:

    The article is also claiming humid areas are good for evaporative cooling, which is incorrect.

    Also that above ground runoff is affecting a well is hard to believe. Wells are deep enough that natural filtration removes any sediment.

    The whole article is questionable.

    But combine that with someone dumping thousands of gallons of wastewater into the ground basically across the street and weirder things are going to happen.

    EDIT: Yeah, I don't think they are dumping water into the ground. Scratch that out. These datacenters DO use lots of water, as in millions of gallons per day, the concern there is more about how the public utilities and incentives were structured. [Quote for millions comes from Kate Crawford's Atlas of AI book, but the link was the the first data I could source, which looks less than that.]

    I'm now thinking this article may be more about the person not liking the datacenter than it specifically affecting the well. Could construction cause some extra sediment to clog up the well intake? Seems likely.

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    "Our goal is that by 2030, we'll be putting more water back into the watersheds and communities where we're operating data centres, than we're taking out," says Will Hewes, global water stewardship lead at Amazon Web Services (AWS), which runs more data centres than any other company globally.

    How can this possibly make sense? Mine owner says, "by 2030 we'll be putting more gold into the ground than we're taking out!" I can only assume this is some carbon credits style of nonsense.

  • The company commissioned an independent groundwater study to investigate Morris's concerns. According to the report, its data center operation did "not adversely affect groundwater conditions in the area".

    I’ve lived with well water. You must filter it and test it regularly because it changes. It can also go dry.

    Edit:

    The article is also claiming humid areas are good for evaporative cooling, which is incorrect.

    Also that above ground runoff is affecting a well is hard to believe. Wells are deep enough that natural filtration removes any sediment.

    The whole article is questionable.

    In the article, this isn’t about pollution but sediment from very nearby construction. Yeah, that happens. Kind of why most decent municipal governments plan out stuff so you don’t have people on wells right next to giant buildings. The common exception being gravel quarries, they do regularly disrupt locals wells. This is on them. You should be building data centres in light industrial zones where everyone nearby is on city water.

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    Both of my parents assisted the BBC with this article. Super proud of their ongoing efforts to fight against data centers.

    It's really sad how local town councils are selling out their citizens for perceived personal gain, capitulating to companies who could easily afford to create their own infrastructure to support these facilities, but refuse to do so because of greed. trump admin will only embolden them through easing regulations and removing all accountability for the impacts they have.

  • But combine that with someone dumping thousands of gallons of wastewater into the ground basically across the street and weirder things are going to happen.

    EDIT: Yeah, I don't think they are dumping water into the ground. Scratch that out. These datacenters DO use lots of water, as in millions of gallons per day, the concern there is more about how the public utilities and incentives were structured. [Quote for millions comes from Kate Crawford's Atlas of AI book, but the link was the the first data I could source, which looks less than that.]

    I'm now thinking this article may be more about the person not liking the datacenter than it specifically affecting the well. Could construction cause some extra sediment to clog up the well intake? Seems likely.

    I can’t find evidence that datacenters dump water into the ground.

  • In the article, this isn’t about pollution but sediment from very nearby construction. Yeah, that happens. Kind of why most decent municipal governments plan out stuff so you don’t have people on wells right next to giant buildings. The common exception being gravel quarries, they do regularly disrupt locals wells. This is on them. You should be building data centres in light industrial zones where everyone nearby is on city water.

    The article is also claiming humid areas are good for evaporative cooling, which is incorrect.

    Also that above ground runoff is affecting a well is hard to believe. Wells are deep enough that natural filtration removes any sediment.

    The whole article is questionable.

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    The article isn't clear about the mechanism by which the data center is supposedly affecting the woman's well. Is the data center using well water, depleting the supply of ground water in the area? Or is the claim that the construction disturbed the geology enough to cause problems with flow and sediment in a well 366 meters away? Does anyone know or have theories?

  • The article isn't clear about the mechanism by which the data center is supposedly affecting the woman's well. Is the data center using well water, depleting the supply of ground water in the area? Or is the claim that the construction disturbed the geology enough to cause problems with flow and sediment in a well 366 meters away? Does anyone know or have theories?

    It's unclear, because the relevant official bodies insist that things are fine

  • "Our goal is that by 2030, we'll be putting more water back into the watersheds and communities where we're operating data centres, than we're taking out," says Will Hewes, global water stewardship lead at Amazon Web Services (AWS), which runs more data centres than any other company globally.

    How can this possibly make sense? Mine owner says, "by 2030 we'll be putting more gold into the ground than we're taking out!" I can only assume this is some carbon credits style of nonsense.

    I really hope what they mean is clean water.

    It can happen; there’s a paper mill by me that was actually an important part of the river cleanup process when the river was far worse than it is today. It takes water from the river, uses it for their needs, then treats it and returns it to the river far far cleaner than they took it out, which has been a net benefit for the entire downstream river ecosystem. That plan, and their follow-through, is the only reason that mill exists at all.

    Thing is, where are they going to find this not-particularly-clean water to treat and return? Are they going to need all new infrastructure built to accommodate this?

    And why is that cheaper/easier/whatever than just making a closed loop cooling system, which they could have done from the being..

  • I can’t find evidence that datacenters dump water into the ground.

    I thought I found something earlier that alluded to it, but Lemmys on my phone and doing any real research is always annoying on it. I can try to find something. I know they do release very significant amounts of wastewater though. But whether that’s all back on public utilities or how it’s but back in the ground is unclear. I’ll see I can find anything specific.

  • I can’t find evidence that datacenters dump water into the ground.

    https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2025-01/final-fonsi-ea-2251-rivian-stanton-springs-north-2024-12.pdf#page26

    Does mention it is passed to a treatment facility, some is treated on campus, and other is stored.

    So according to epa report it was not expected to affect local groundwater.

  • I really hope what they mean is clean water.

    It can happen; there’s a paper mill by me that was actually an important part of the river cleanup process when the river was far worse than it is today. It takes water from the river, uses it for their needs, then treats it and returns it to the river far far cleaner than they took it out, which has been a net benefit for the entire downstream river ecosystem. That plan, and their follow-through, is the only reason that mill exists at all.

    Thing is, where are they going to find this not-particularly-clean water to treat and return? Are they going to need all new infrastructure built to accommodate this?

    And why is that cheaper/easier/whatever than just making a closed loop cooling system, which they could have done from the being..

    Intel was lauded for this same thing in the early 2000s at the fab I worked at, since ultrapure water (literal H2O) was required to rinse the chip wafers the water going out was cleaner than going in.

    I’m still not entirely sure why these data centers require such massive amounts of water when we’ve been running heat exchange loops in nuclear plants for decades.

  • "Our goal is that by 2030, we'll be putting more water back into the watersheds and communities where we're operating data centres, than we're taking out," says Will Hewes, global water stewardship lead at Amazon Web Services (AWS), which runs more data centres than any other company globally.

    How can this possibly make sense? Mine owner says, "by 2030 we'll be putting more gold into the ground than we're taking out!" I can only assume this is some carbon credits style of nonsense.

    global water stewardship lead at Amazon

    How can this possibly make sense?

    No. Your expectation is wrong. You cannot expect him to make any sense.

    Such people do not get paid for making sense, but for creating lies. Dreamy, foggy, false images to distract you, to make you forget about asking for the truth.

  • Intel was lauded for this same thing in the early 2000s at the fab I worked at, since ultrapure water (literal H2O) was required to rinse the chip wafers the water going out was cleaner than going in.

    I’m still not entirely sure why these data centers require such massive amounts of water when we’ve been running heat exchange loops in nuclear plants for decades.

    I’m still not entirely sure why these data centers require such massive amounts of water when we’ve been running heat exchange loops in nuclear plants for decades.

    Because many are running evaporative cooling.

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    He takes us to a creek downhill from a new construction site for a data centre being built by US firm Quality Technology Services (QTS).

    George Dietz, a local volunteer, scoops up a sample of the water into a clear plastic bag. It's cloudy and brown.

    Well, maybe they didn't have proper sediment control but a creek is a lot different than well water. Most people don't drink out of creeks, sediment control is done more for the purpose of protecting fish habitat.

    Hauls buckets of water to flush her toilet

    What? You're concern is sediment in your well water and then go haul dirty brown sediment filled water from the creek to flush your toilet instead?

    Buy a sediment filter for your well water. Even people not beside giant data centres should have one just because it keeps the system functional and running better. It is practically a requirement to have one.

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    that’s my theory. how can you be so grossly negligent to expose all your data with no ACLs. especially when collecting personal identification
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    Incredibly well said. And couldn't agree more! Especially after working as a game dev for Apple Arcade. We spent months proving to them their saving architecture was faulty and would lead to people losing their save file for each Apple Arcade game they play. We were ignored, and then told it was a dev problem. Cut to the launch of Arcade: every single game has several 1 star reviews about players losing their save files. This cannot be fixed by devs as it's an Apple problem, so devs have to figure out novel ways to prevent the issue from happening using their own time and resources. 1.5 years later, Apple finishes restructuring the entire backend of Arcade, fixing the problem. They tell all their devs to reimplement the saving architecture of their games to be compliant with Apples new backend or get booted from Arcade. This costs devs months of time to complete for literally zero return (Apple Arcade deals are upfront - little to no revenue is seen after launch). Apple used their trillions of dollars to ignore a massive backend issue that affected every player and developer on Apple Arcade. They then forced every dev to make an update to their game at their own expense just to keep it listed on Arcade. All while directing user frustration over the issue towards developers instead of taking accountability for launching a faulty product. Literally, these companies are run by sociopaths that have egos bigger than their paychecks. Issues like this are ignored as it's easier to place the blame on someone down the line. People like your manager end up getting promoted to the top of an office heirachy of bullshit, and everything the company makes just gets worse until whatever corpse is left is sold for parts to whatever bigger dumb company hasn't collapsed yet. It's really painful to watch, and even more painful to work with these idiots.
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    No I don't think there really were many so your point is valid But the law works like that, things are in a grey area or in limbo until they are defined into law. That means the new law can be written to either protect consumer privacy, or make it legal to the letter to rape consumer privacy like this bill, or some weird inbetween where some shady stuff is still explicitly allowed but in general consumers are protected in specific ways from specific privacy abuses This bill being the second option is bad because typically when laws are written it then takes a loooong time to reverse them
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    Same as American companies. Send you targeted ads and news articles to influence your world view as a form of new soft power.
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    I still get calls, but I can't see details (e.g. just the phone number, not the caller).
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    Consider the possibility that you don't need to be doing anything wrong besides existing to be persecuted by a fascist regime.
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