These just dont need to be online. 90% of the use I have seen is timers and lights, like a half step above hello world.

There is a market for voice assistants that are local.

Home assistant is capable of it. Unfortunately it's not yet overly user friendly about it, but it's getting better rapidly.

It also needs to fail gracefully. A smart switch needs to fail to a dumb switch, not "no switch".

The Google Nest Mini is a smart speaker, not the smart thermostat with a similar name.

You're absolutely correct. I have few smart switches around the house and automations for yard lights and stuff like that are pretty nice to have but I still have the physical switch where the dumb switch was to interact with if the automations are down or I just want to override them. The ones I use even accept the same faceplate than traditional ones so there's no change on anything unless you want to automate things.

I have it set up fine?

Exactly this. I use Shelly relays in the switch boxes and use the physical switch as an input to the Shelly relay. I have a couple AliExpress zigbee relays too that work well.

The trick is with three/four way switches where the smart relay needs continuous power and to be physically located at the end of the chain where power is actually switched to the light or outlet. Took me a while to figure that out but an SPDT relay with 120V coil solves that. The problem is space: fitting the relay to provide continuous power to the smart relay and the smart relay itself into a standard junction box with a physical switch and all the usual mess of wiring is not easy.

I have three lights that were wired to one switch. With smart bulbs, I can individually turn them on and off or dim them. No "dumb" solution exists for homes that were wired in a stupid way. This isn't a niche application, it's a common reality.

No need for this. A Z-Wave or Zigbee thermostat does the same thing.

We have leak sensors in the basement brewery and sockets that help the hubs ADHD and anxiety (did i forget to turn X off? I shall check my phone), all running through a HA server. A mate has literally programmed in migraine protocols.

Automation ain't bad. Capitalism is what the haters are angry at. Wish they'd go shit on that instead of stupid commentary about laziness.

I did see something recently about local LLMs and voice input layers. The post made it seem very Jarvis like, think it may have been the voice used or the name.

Knowing nothing about tech other than I want my privacy I am hoping it is feasible for the common man

I know it's not the same, but my ecobee is fine and i think it avoids most mass surveillance stuff. They nuked the API but beetstat.io is cheap and nice.

I have a fan plugged into a smart switch that I’ve set to turn off when I fade up my mic while doing my radio show. It’s the most glorious use of throwing the internet at a home appliance I’ve yet come up with.

There's a mode for voice control that is even friendly to a Raspi 4 or 5, but it's very simplistic in control, basically a super lightweight speech to text trained only on device names and aliases. Think the speech to text in late 2000s through early 2010s non-smart phones.

Small models for faster-whisper will run on even my little Dell Micro i5-6500T that I have Home Assistant running on, it's just a little bit slow, but it absolutely works and is usable speed! I run a larger model currently offloaded to my server, which has an RTX 2070 Super in it, but that's to make it perform more like how Google used to a long time ago, and it's unused power most of the time.

They're trying to make it as accessible as possible for sure. There's even options to use cloud STT and TTS (they even include it in the Home Assistant Cloud optional feature), but it's definitely cool as hell to be able to talk to an open-source-design speaker and get a reply and control any switches or lights or even my thermostat and robo vacuum without needing the Internet to work. As long as my Wi-Fi and HA box are up, I've got options!

I imagine more as in using them for local voice. Without that, it's still dependent on connecting HA to Google Home. And outside of a fairly expensive hardware replacement module it ends up being cheaper to go other routes.

I ended up picking up two of the Home Assistant Voice PE devices and I've been fairly happy with them. I even extended their firmware so I have a clock display on each with one being my bedroom alarm clock even. But even out of the box functionality, as long as you can either run faster-whisper on Home Assistant (or another box), or don't mind their lighter device-control-only route, is totally solid.

Plus music streaming to them (with an external speaker attached via the 3.5mm jack) is pretty good!

It does! I have my bedroom one controlled through it and even showing up as a play target for Spotify Connect. I've got my speakers I was plugging into my phone to play music before, or into a Raspi briefly, plugged into the 3.5mm jack on that one.

My kitchen one I just leave as-is. I DID modify the ESPHome firmware on each, extending to add an OLED (I think) clock display that also shows remaining time for timers in numbers. I do really like the LED ring animation for timers built-in though, it's pretty slick!

It has several modes. The most basic is speech to text, pattern match, then implement. It also has text to speak for feedback. No actual AI in the loop.

It's also capable of tying to AI models in various ways. It's mainly intended for question answering. Either general, or about your data.

I personally don't trust a non-deterministic AI having direct control of my house, so the split is useful.

You can get socket extensions where the bulb goes into it and then each extension is connected to a wall mount remote switch. No wifi needed and then you have a wall switch for each bulb.

Doesn't fit into every light fixture though depends on the design.

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and retire gracefully, where the device becomes open source and available to the community of owners who have invested in it.