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Drug Enforcement Administration agent used Illinois cop’s Flock license plate reader password for immigration enforcement searches

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    ^for me, not for thee^ is missing from the name.

  • A bit of missing context - the officer with the access to the FLOCK system shared his account details with many other officers including the DEA agent because he thought that’s just what was done since he was the only one with an account.

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    State legislation prohibits Illinois license plate reader data from being used for immigration enforcement purposes.

    Why?! Why is immigration enforcement being stifled so much? Imagine if there was a police database that could help find murderers whenever they drove their car in public and legislators said “no you’re not allowed to use that to help find wanted murderers”. It makes no sense.

    Why?! Why is immigration enforcement being stifled so much? Imagine if there was a police database that could help find murderers

    It could be because immigrants are not as bad as murderers.

  • A bit of missing context - the officer with the access to the FLOCK system shared his account details with many other officers including the DEA agent because he thought that’s just what was done since he was the only one with an account.

    Also on this:

    State legislation prohibits Illinois license plate reader data from being used for immigration enforcement purposes.

    Why?! Why is immigration enforcement being stifled so much? Imagine if there was a police database that could help find murderers whenever they drove their car in public and legislators said “no you’re not allowed to use that to help find wanted murderers”. It makes no sense.

    Because immigration enforcement is a civil violation, not a criminal one. Imagine if the government said that license plate readers could be used to enforce copyright violations, or defamation. Say a bad word about the President and they will use the system to find your car and wait for you to send you to Alligator Auschwitz without a trial.

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    A Palos Heights police officer has been disciplined and retrained

    That is automatic fired in any place I've worked IT.

    The detective stated it was “common” to allow others in the group to use his login for drug investigations

    That's an investigation in any place I've worked IT.

    State legislation prohibits Illinois license plate reader data from being used for immigration enforcement purposes.

    Like that matters.

    Meh, read the damned article. It's more damning than I can post about.

    As usual, I'll sign off by saying, get strapped, learn gun safety and local laws, practice, be ready to fucking die in a firefight. Human rights will never come cheap to defend. But in no case lie down for this shit. Don't have a "brown people" pic, but they're as important as any of us.

    If your life is more important than your liberty, you do you, I will not judge. But I've made my own decision on the matter.

  • A Palos Heights police officer has been disciplined and retrained

    That is automatic fired in any place I've worked IT.

    The detective stated it was “common” to allow others in the group to use his login for drug investigations

    That's an investigation in any place I've worked IT.

    State legislation prohibits Illinois license plate reader data from being used for immigration enforcement purposes.

    Like that matters.

    Meh, read the damned article. It's more damning than I can post about.

    As usual, I'll sign off by saying, get strapped, learn gun safety and local laws, practice, be ready to fucking die in a firefight. Human rights will never come cheap to defend. But in no case lie down for this shit. Don't have a "brown people" pic, but they're as important as any of us.

    If your life is more important than your liberty, you do you, I will not judge. But I've made my own decision on the matter.

    I wish more people who believe in justice had your attitude. We wouldn't be degrading into Orwellian 1984 standards if the powers that be received just 2% pushback with the same magnitude of force they employ.

    Democracy dies because Americans, the gun-toting, freedom-fighting, liberty-loving citizens they are, are in fact giant. fucking. cowards. In general.

  • A bit of missing context - the officer with the access to the FLOCK system shared his account details with many other officers including the DEA agent because he thought that’s just what was done since he was the only one with an account.

    Also on this:

    State legislation prohibits Illinois license plate reader data from being used for immigration enforcement purposes.

    Why?! Why is immigration enforcement being stifled so much? Imagine if there was a police database that could help find murderers whenever they drove their car in public and legislators said “no you’re not allowed to use that to help find wanted murderers”. It makes no sense.

    A bit of missing context - the officer with the access to the FLOCK system shared his account details with many other officers including the DEA agent because he thought that’s just what was done since he was the only one with an account.

    LOLLLLLLLL

    And I suppose any arrests or convictions based on that were not legal or overturned, right??

  • A bit of missing context - the officer with the access to the FLOCK system shared his account details with many other officers including the DEA agent because he thought that’s just what was done since he was the only one with an account.

    LOLLLLLLLL

    And I suppose any arrests or convictions based on that were not legal or overturned, right??

    Well you would assume that some people might be able to appeal based on this.

  • Because immigration enforcement is a civil violation, not a criminal one. Imagine if the government said that license plate readers could be used to enforce copyright violations, or defamation. Say a bad word about the President and they will use the system to find your car and wait for you to send you to Alligator Auschwitz without a trial.

    Entering the country illegally is a crime under federal law, not civil. Remaining in the country after your legal immigration status is up is a civil issue, but deportation is a lawful response.

    Why do you think people should get to stay in a country illegally? I’m genuinely curious.

  • Why?! Why is immigration enforcement being stifled so much? Imagine if there was a police database that could help find murderers

    It could be because immigrants are not as bad as murderers.

    That’s completely irrelevant. If you can identify someone as being in the country illegally it makes no sense to not be allowed to act on it.

  • It does make sense. Police are not perfect saint-like beings, and the government is not composed of perfect beings either. I'm not sure what kind of person you are, but I'm sure there are some things you enjoy and partake in which some other social group really despises. If you're religious, it may be militant atheists who despise you going to church. If you're not religious, it may be militant theists who despise you not going to church. The point is, there's probably some social cultures out there that hate you for the things that you love. Those people may not be in charge right now, but they might be one day. Those people can end up in police departments, as developers for these camera companies, as administrators for the database that collects information on where you drive and when. Those people, being imperfect as they are, may not always resist the temptation to use this system in a way to track down and identify people like you for doing whatever it is that you love and they hate. Now you end up on a list for that.

    There's no denying that sophisticated surveillance technology does make it easier to catch criminals and does legitimately protect from the threats those criminals pose. But surveillance technology, by it's very nature, cannot surveil only the criminals - it has to surveil everyone to find the criminals. And the notion of what is criminal may change. If your favorite hobby becomes criminalized, or if the government criminalizes your identity itself, these beautifully effective tools are suddenly turned against you.

    There is a happy medium to be found between giving your society tools to enforce the will of constituents, vs. giving your society tools that be too easily abused. Given that this tool is already being abused, it probably isn't worth the benefits.

    But if they did criminalise my favourite hobby, and they had evidence that I’m continuing to do that hobby in plain sight, they see me doing it every day……I’d expect them to come get me. That makes sense. It makes no sense to have that technology there to be used to find some crimes but not others.

  • I wish more people who believe in justice had your attitude. We wouldn't be degrading into Orwellian 1984 standards if the powers that be received just 2% pushback with the same magnitude of force they employ.

    Democracy dies because Americans, the gun-toting, freedom-fighting, liberty-loving citizens they are, are in fact giant. fucking. cowards. In general.

    Can you imagine how bad it would be if the fascists felt free to kick in any door in an unarmed society? The mind boggles.

  • Because fuck ICE, thats why...

    Nah. People should not be in a country illegally. They want to migrate? Do it legally like the rest of the law abiding citizens.

  • A bit of missing context - the officer with the access to the FLOCK system shared his account details with many other officers including the DEA agent because he thought that’s just what was done since he was the only one with an account.

    Also on this:

    State legislation prohibits Illinois license plate reader data from being used for immigration enforcement purposes.

    Why?! Why is immigration enforcement being stifled so much? Imagine if there was a police database that could help find murderers whenever they drove their car in public and legislators said “no you’re not allowed to use that to help find wanted murderers”. It makes no sense.

    I'm not responding to you're entire verbal vomit. am going to say this.

    What youve written at the end is not what's happening.

  • That’s completely irrelevant. If you can identify someone as being in the country illegally it makes no sense to not be allowed to act on it.

    You need to shut up. You're spreading ignorance and blatantly ignoring the situation.

    Again. You need yo knock it off and go somewhere magats hang out.

  • Entering the country illegally is a crime under federal law, not civil. Remaining in the country after your legal immigration status is up is a civil issue, but deportation is a lawful response.

    Why do you think people should get to stay in a country illegally? I’m genuinely curious.

    Do you think a person should be seperated from thier families, put into prison, subjected to violence, and sent to a country they've never been to for a misdemeanor?

    Because thats a criminal misdemeanor, not civil like immigration. But you dont care do you? You got yours..

    Ghoul

  • That’s completely irrelevant. If you can identify someone as being in the country illegally it makes no sense to not be allowed to act on it.

    This isn't a good argument.

    If law enforcement had access to all of your social media, e-mails and live video feeds from inside your house then they would be able to catch criminals more effectively.

    We have laws specifically limiting police powers because we recognize that there are more things to consider than simply maximizing arrests.

    Protection against unreasonable search is written into the constitution, after all

  • Can you imagine how bad it would be if the fascists felt free to kick in any door in an unarmed society? The mind boggles.

    They do feel pretty free to do that, and they also heavily signal that if you’re of a darker complexion, even if they barge in unannounced, that they’re going to fill your house full of holes but if you’re white, even if you knew what was going on, they’ll detain you alive. It happens all the time, and in “unarmed” societies that aren’t massively shit people don’t need to worry about it anyway.

    “Greatest country on earth” but everyone needs to be constantly afraid of their neighbours and government.

  • A bit of missing context - the officer with the access to the FLOCK system shared his account details with many other officers including the DEA agent because he thought that’s just what was done since he was the only one with an account.

    Also on this:

    State legislation prohibits Illinois license plate reader data from being used for immigration enforcement purposes.

    Why?! Why is immigration enforcement being stifled so much? Imagine if there was a police database that could help find murderers whenever they drove their car in public and legislators said “no you’re not allowed to use that to help find wanted murderers”. It makes no sense.

    Despite all the downvotes, I think it's a reasonable enough question. It happens to have a very reasonable answer though.

    First of all, your concern is largely addressed, since immigration control can still access law enforcement databases if they have a warrant.

    As for why this law exists at all, well it's actually to the benefit of law enforcement: the idea is that immigrant communities are more likely to cooperate with law enforcement if they aren't scared that they will be the target of immigration control. This is all the more practical now, when ICE has degraded into a largely lawless and authoritarian organization, since you can imagine most immigrants wouldn't want to say a word to any police officer unless they at least have the protections of the 2017 TRUST act in place.

    Now, what I'm a bit confused about is why you are so up-in-arms about the existence of this law instead of the violation of this law. Surely if you are so law-abiding as you make out to be in your comments, you should be shouting for legal action against the police officers involved in breaking the law.

  • Nah. People should not be in a country illegally. They want to migrate? Do it legally like the rest of the law abiding citizens.

    They're arresting legal citizens too, chud.

  • But if they did criminalise my favourite hobby, and they had evidence that I’m continuing to do that hobby in plain sight, they see me doing it every day……I’d expect them to come get me. That makes sense. It makes no sense to have that technology there to be used to find some crimes but not others.

    I see what you're saying. You're not talking about "making sense" in an ethical or social well-being sense, you mean it's literally confusing why the technology wouldn't be used for all kinds of crimes, given that it already exists - irrespective of whether the technology should be used. Is that right? I think you're getting downvoted because it kinda sounds like you're saying this is all a good idea when you say it "makes sense". Unfortunate English ambiguities. But you're saying, like, sure it's dystopian and creepy and wrong, but why wouldn't the creepy dystopia use the tech for all cases then rather than just some? That's a good question. I think because there is legitimately some understanding of the dangers of using these powerful tools willy-nilly. While people aren't perfect angels, they also aren't perfect devils either. Another factor is that there is some pressure to appear not to be overly heavy-handed with these tools - as we see in those chats, they knew it made them look bad for this to get out.

    And the final most pessimistic factor is that this Flock company almost certainly charges per seat, so giving direct usernames and logins to every officer or even every department is probably absurdly expensive. Companies (in this case the police) will often try to limit their license seats to as few people as possible and then just funnel as much different people's work through that one person's license as they can.

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Deep down, everything is just energy and matter (the former of which, to quote the famous Einstein equation e = mc, is energy as well), and this inexorably includes living beings.Bodies, flesh, brains, nerves and other biological parts, they're not so different from a computer case, CPUs/NPUs/TPUs, cables and other computer parts: to quote Sagan, it's all "made of star stuff", it's all a bunch of quarks and other elementary particles clumped together and forming subatomic particles forming atoms forming molecules forming everything we know, including our very selves...Everything is compelled to follow the same laws of physics, everything is subjected to the same cosmic principles, everything is subjected to the same fundamental forces, everything is subjected to the same entropy, everything decays and ends (and this comment is just a reminder, a cosmic-wide Memento mori).It's bleak, but this is the cosmic reality: cosmos is simply indifferent to all existence, and we're essentially no different than our fancy "tools", be it the wheel, the hammer, the steam engine, the Voyager twins or the modern dystopian electronic devices crafted to follow pieces of logical instructions, some of which were labelled by developers as "Markov Chains" and "Artificial Neural Networks".Then, there's also the human non-exclusivity among the biosphere: corvids (especially Corvus moneduloides, the New Caleidonian crow) are scientifically known for their intelligence, so are dolphins, chimpanzees and many other eukaryotas. Humans love to think we're exclusive in that regard, but we're not, we're just fooling ourselves!IMHO, every time we try to argue "there's no intelligence beyond humans", it's highly anthropocentric and quite biased/bigoted against the countless other species that currently exist on Earth (and possibly beyond this Pale Blue Dot as well). We humans often forgot how we are species ourselves (taxonomically classified as "Homo sapiens"). We tend to carry on our biological existences as if we were some kind of "deities" or "extraterrestrials" among a "primitive, wild life".Furthermore, I can point out the myriad of philosophical points, such as the philosophical point raised by the mere mention of "senses" ("Because it’s bodiless. It has no senses, ..." "my senses deceive me" is the starting point for Cartesian (René Descartes) doubt. While Descarte's conclusion, "Cogito ergo sum", is highly anthropocentric, it's often ignored or forgotten by those who hold anthropocentric views on intelligence, as people often ground the seemingly "exclusive" nature of human intelligence on the ability to "feel".Many other philosophical musings deserve to be mentioned as well: lack of free will (stemming from the very fact that we were unable to choose our own births), the nature of "evil" (both the Hobbesian line regarding "human evilness" and the Epicurean paradox regarding "metaphysical evilness"), the social compliance (I must point out to documentaries from Derren Brown on this subject), the inevitability of Death, among other deep topics.All deep principles and ideas converging, IMHO, into the same bleak reality, one where we (supposedly "soul-bearing beings") are no different from a "souless" machine, because we're both part of an emergent phenomena (Ordo ab chao, the (apparent) order out of chaos) that has been taking place for Æons (billions of years and beyond, since the dawn of time itself).Yeah, I know how unpopular this worldview can be and how downvoted this comment will probably get. 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