Men are opening up about mental health to AI instead of humans
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Yes that is ridiculous because the intent is to lay responsibility at women's feet, again. Like always.
This stuff about how women see men or whatever weird breeding shit you're rambling about is irrelevant you're just trying to argue women have a choice in some weird way to make the men they want and "choose" not to. That's so silly.
The simple fact is men are allowed to not take part in their kid's lives and having one parent do the job isn't gonna work regardless if they are male or female. As you suggested that is a comment on our social structure which i agree with but again, not what is being said in this thread it's very clear they are blaming women directly and entirely.
Now again there's dozens of factors at play here but the bottom line is men are responsible. They hold power in society, they are allowed to disregard children and they are the ones bullying boys into being the way they are. Do women have a role in that? Sure. Is it their responsibility or fault? No that's silly as fuck especially cause most couldn't have jobs, couldn't vote and still can't do either across the globe.
Bottom line is men are failing men and the first step to a solution is empathy especially towards women which this thread lacks hard. Women are literally the ones leading the charge in reinforcing openness and education, don't believe me? go to your local elementary school and check out how the teachers speak to kids. Some will be men most will be women and they're impressively kind and open and teaching a variety of skills to help kids be better people. Men as a whole are not doing that, in fact most men in power are actively trying not to let that happen. They call it sissyfication.
You know what i see? Men being afraid of going alone with their kid to the park, because the mom's there believe they are a sexual predator just by gender. Men not appliying for kindergarden or school jobs because of a tendency of mothers to see every man in childcare as a pedophile. Men getting called the cops onto them in the parking lot when going to their car after shopping.
And it's the same with violence against women - every man is automatically seen as a brutalizer, or someone who would daterape.
As long as those prejudices exist - and they are mainly female prejudices! - men will not open up. When you are seen as a threat even if you aren't one (see the man and the bear in the woods), there is no way they will become empathic, because innocently playing with your child in the park could have lifelong consequences for you.
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You're pissy, jaded and uncomfortable with the concept of being wrong. Classic men shit.
Here you go.
You just blamed all his so-called issues on him being a man.
Ok
You're pissy, jaded and uncomfortable with the concept of being wrong. Classic men shit.
Not blaming him for being a man dunno how you read that, you're backwards as hell.
He's being angry at women, classic men shit. Which is why he isn't feeling better. How did you think that's blaming him for being a man, cause I said classic men shit? Learn to read buddy
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A profound relational revolution is underway, not orchestrated by tech developers but driven by users themselves. Many of the 400 million weekly users of ChatGPT are seeking more than just assistance with emails or information on food safety; they are looking for emotional support.
“Therapy and companionship” have emerged as two of the most frequent applications for generative AI globally, according to the Harvard Business Review. This trend marks a significant, unplanned pivot in how people interact with technology.
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You're being a bozo. I'm arguing to be empathetic to women, you're calling that unempathetic. You don't deserve a serious reply so you didn't get one.
Try reading from the start again, and maybe you'd finally be able to grasp some form of understanding. Good luck.
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You just blamed all his so-called issues on him being a man.
Ok
You're pissy, jaded and uncomfortable with the concept of being wrong. Classic men shit.
Not blaming him for being a man dunno how you read that, you're backwards as hell.
He's being angry at women, classic men shit. Which is why he isn't feeling better. How did you think that's blaming him for being a man, cause I said classic men shit? Learn to read buddy
Can you not tell the difference between the sentence "blame him for being a man" with "blame all his problems on him being a man"?
True, both are sexist, but they literally mean different things. You're just proving again how you can't read.
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I get it, but I'm not sure that "something is better than nothing" in this case. I don't judge any individual for using it, but the risks are huge, as others have documented. And the benefits are questionable.
something is always better than nothing. esp if you are starving.
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amen to all this. i really started removing 'leftists' people from my life and it was like... so much better because so much of their entity message is just this weird revenge/hate pron against straight white men, and men in general. when ironically, the people they should be angry at are the wealthy... but honestly most of these 'leftists' I've known were trust fund kids... so that tells you right there why they would never rag on the wealthy...
normal well adjusted people don't hate anyone or blame anyone for their problems. but for some reason it's become mainstream A-OK to say horrible awful shit about men that would you get you banned/shitcanned/ostracized if you said ti about anyone else. esp in liberal/left groupthink.
it's entire the same discourse as neoNazis and all that too... just replace jew/black with white straight men.
this sort of stuff gets downvoted incessantly in leftist spaces which is a damn shame bc i feel like a lot of these places are my home to a certain degree. it makes me feel unwelcome. ik that’s like, the fucking point and why they do it but still.
these sorts of people are just on some weird, misguided, revanchist agenda that necessitates getting “revenge” on certain groups of people instead of sticking with the core principles of the ideology which clearly state that you should kindly refrain from being an asshole. there is nothing to be gained from exacting some revenge fantasy upon straight white men. you’re exactly right, the only people who deserve to have shit flung their way over who they are is the rich and powerful.
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But that's not what we're talking about
Men statically run the most businesses, hold the management positions and other seats of authority so they're the ones dictating and deciding things in the world. That's the disparity, not wealth
rich men do those things. poor men do not.
so do rich women.
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Probably the closest space any guy could get is AA or NA meetings.
what do these abbreviations stand for?
alcoholics anonymous and narcotics anonymous
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From the commenter above talking about negative experiences with talking to women and female therapists, I think the real solution is that men need to be proactive about supporting each other. Ranting and raving about how women are terrible and don't know how to help men with an undercurrent of expectations that women (especially a romantic partner) should fix everything is simply not a tenable mindset.
As a woman who works in the medical field, I am keenly aware of my limitations when it comes to helping men with mental health issues. I think the real, effective solution is for men to start opening up to each other and supporting each other the way that women tend to do among themselves. I don't mean this as "oh, men are terrible and they need to fuck off somewhere else with their problems", I mean it as a sincere belief that the best people to help a man through emotional or psychological problems are probably other men given the shared socialization and perspective.
we need more male therapists and teachers. that's what we need.
we have systematically removed male teachers from the school system due to the pedophilia panic.
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I'm here to talk if you need an ear man, I understand you and it sounds like you've been through your own personal brand of shit
Edit: Made a com where you can talk more freely without judgement /c/reprieve@lemmy.zip
appreciate the offer king. i might check in and occasionally participate in the comm, i like the idea.
my main concern is ensuring there isn’t a weird invasion of the space by neofascists. that’s the main issue with men’s rights spaces currently. it doesn’t seem easy to prevent as every such space i come across has this problem. the exact thing we identify as hating here pervades spaces trying to tackle this problem… something of a catch 22.
i fucking adore the naming, tho. reprieve is exactly what we all need. i think you should really lean into the abandonment of identity and related identity politics for this community. it shouldn’t be about men in particular, it’s about a reprieve from this shitty contemporary world we have grown up into. after all, race or sex or whatever aren’t even real… they’re just arbitrary lines that cultures draw upon the world. important to individuals maybe, yes, but i’ve always felt it to be something of an albatross around the left’s neck. not all right-wing criticisms of “identity politics” are necessarily unwarranted… (
oopsie i broke the groupthink too hard that time guys o nooooos 
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rich men do those things. poor men do not.
so do rich women.
Untrue completely. Go to your local Costco, BJs, Walmart, Best Buy and tell me what the managers look like, some will be women sure but most especially the GMs will be men.
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Can you not tell the difference between the sentence "blame him for being a man" with "blame all his problems on him being a man"?
True, both are sexist, but they literally mean different things. You're just proving again how you can't read.
Can you?
I'm saying exactly what I said, he sucked in therapy because of his inability to acknowledge his shitty attitude and instead he's blaming that on women.
Where in there did I said because he's a man? He's struggling with classic men issues as listed above, that's not blaming him for being a man learn to read.
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That's so funny you say that because literally not what I'm saying, genuinely what I'm arguing about. Nice reading comprehension bozo.
Go on scroll up, find the first comment that talks about therapy NOT working for men.
Ironic gonna criticize Lemmy yet be stupid yourself. You tried kid.
Phasers to stun please. I was agreeing with you?
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we need more male therapists and teachers. that's what we need.
we have systematically removed male teachers from the school system due to the pedophilia panic.
I think the pay issue is *another big contributor. Women are more likely to accept lower paying jobs, particularly ones like caring professions or teaching, whereas men have a tendency towards higher paying jobs (in part due to the lack of support for pregnancy, parental leave, and childcare expenses).
*edited for clarity
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A profound relational revolution is underway, not orchestrated by tech developers but driven by users themselves. Many of the 400 million weekly users of ChatGPT are seeking more than just assistance with emails or information on food safety; they are looking for emotional support.
“Therapy and companionship” have emerged as two of the most frequent applications for generative AI globally, according to the Harvard Business Review. This trend marks a significant, unplanned pivot in how people interact with technology.
Like... yeah?
Tried to open to a girlfriend about a sensitive topic - she got the ick.
Tried to make an appointment with a psychiatrist - got a very hateful rejection because of my place of birth.
Damn, even when I try to uplift a friend, I use phrases like 'you got this before, you'll get it now'.
I don't know how to be a man, mentally
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Funny, I was just reading comments in another thread about people with mental health problems proclaiming how terrific it is. Especially concerning is how they had found value in the recommendations LLMs make and "trying those out." One of the commenters described themselves as "neuro diverse" and was acting upon "advice" from generated LLM responses.
And for something like depression, this is deeply bad advice. I feel somewhat qualified to weigh in on it as somebody who has struggled severely with depression and managed to get through it with the support of a very capable therapist. There's a tremendous amount of depth and context to somebody's mental condition that involves more deliberate probing to understand than stringing together words until it forms sentences that mimic human interactions.
Let's not forget that an LLM will not be able to raise alarm bells, read medical records, write prescriptions or work with other medical professionals. Another thing people often forget is that LLMs have maximum token lengths and cannot, by definition, keep a detailed "memory" of everything that's been discussed.
It's is effectively self-treatment with more steps.
I can't find the story for the life of me right now but I'm pretty sure there was one a few months back where someone was talking with an LLM about their depression and suicide and the LLM essentially said "yeah you should probably do it." because to the LLM, that was the best solution to the problem.
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A profound relational revolution is underway, not orchestrated by tech developers but driven by users themselves. Many of the 400 million weekly users of ChatGPT are seeking more than just assistance with emails or information on food safety; they are looking for emotional support.
“Therapy and companionship” have emerged as two of the most frequent applications for generative AI globally, according to the Harvard Business Review. This trend marks a significant, unplanned pivot in how people interact with technology.
Just a note to say that the very first chat bot, Eliza, created in the 1960's was a Rogerian therapist. I'm sure I remember a quote that the author was surprised that people opened up to it. I doubt anyone working in AI or chat technology would not know about Eliza so probably not a surprise to the industry... but maybe I am that old. [edits: facts/spelling etc]
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Like... yeah?
Tried to open to a girlfriend about a sensitive topic - she got the ick.
Tried to make an appointment with a psychiatrist - got a very hateful rejection because of my place of birth.
Damn, even when I try to uplift a friend, I use phrases like 'you got this before, you'll get it now'.
I don't know how to be a man, mentally
Getting rejection because of place of birth is worth getting that doctors license revoked, find out which body governs doctors in your location and file a complaint
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Funny, I was just reading comments in another thread about people with mental health problems proclaiming how terrific it is. Especially concerning is how they had found value in the recommendations LLMs make and "trying those out." One of the commenters described themselves as "neuro diverse" and was acting upon "advice" from generated LLM responses.
And for something like depression, this is deeply bad advice. I feel somewhat qualified to weigh in on it as somebody who has struggled severely with depression and managed to get through it with the support of a very capable therapist. There's a tremendous amount of depth and context to somebody's mental condition that involves more deliberate probing to understand than stringing together words until it forms sentences that mimic human interactions.
Let's not forget that an LLM will not be able to raise alarm bells, read medical records, write prescriptions or work with other medical professionals. Another thing people often forget is that LLMs have maximum token lengths and cannot, by definition, keep a detailed "memory" of everything that's been discussed.
It's is effectively self-treatment with more steps.
LLM will not be able to raise alarm bells
this is like the "benefit" of what LLM-therapy would provide if it worked. The reality is that, it doesn't but it serves as a proof of concept that there is a need for anonymous therapy. Therapy in the USA is only for people with socially acceptable illnesses. People rightfully live in fear of getting labeled as untreatable, a danger to self and others, and then at best dropped from therapy and at worst institutionalized.
