yeah id say it’s not overt, but that’s kinda the problem… it’s almost difficult to identify, so when it comes to mental health for men a lot of the time society, therapists, etc almost gaslights us into thinking our problems aren’t problems

if it were overt it’d be easy to identify… the fact what it’s not, the fact that men are the majority, and are the problem in a lot of cases pushes people to certain conclusions (including ourselves about our own problems)

mental health is complex af

I don't agree

yup! and absolutely worth the mention that if you’re queer (qlife), struggling with specific issues - alcohol, gambling, finance, eating disorders, etc - there’s specific support available to a lot of people in australia, the US, europe, etc

if you need help, help is available! find one of these services who can help you find the specific support that you need, and go from there

as a gay man, i found a lot more help when i started seeing services that specialised in queer health

yall deserve someone who understands what you’re going through in life

Of course men will go to an AI for their problems, they can't fathom going to a woman for honest advice.

And as a result, they gaslight themselves with a worse version of ELIZA.

read the whole comment

Yeah.

and there needs to be more oversight and punishment for objectively bad therapists. and I dont mean bad as in their program didnt work for you, i mean bad, like ones that spend an entire session fellating themselves over how awesome they are, or tell you that they arent here to listen to you bitch and moan about your problems (someone I knew had a therapist say that to them) or whatever other objectively awful things bad therapists too.

and there needs to be more education about therapy, and how there are many different styles and approaches.. and not all work for everyone, The system should incentivize people being able to tell their therapist they appreciate their time, but it doesnt feel like their approach is working, and get refered to a different one with a different approach without drama, extra cost, extra paperwork, or headache.

Of course men will go to an AI for their problems, they can't fathom going to a woman for honest advice.

This seems a bit far-fetched, don’t you think? There could be so many reasons as to why someone would rather use AI than going to another person for advice (this is not just about women).

Honestly, as someone who actually went to therapy and yes, my therapist was a woman. It’s was quite tough to open up and be vulnerable.

I think for some people using AI, they might feel as if they’re not that vulnerable because it is not a person. However, they don’t realize that there’s data is being gathered.

And as a result, they gaslight themselves with a worse version of ELIZA.

With this, I can’t figure out whether you’re serious, trolling or just writing randomly.

good thing you're an authority on nothing then

You are the one that made this all about what does and doesn't apply to a specific area or country, into being a pro or anti whatever specific nationality discussion.

Like I don't disagree that we should fix our own country, it is our responsibility... but you could have just said 'Damn, is it really that bad in the States?' or something like that, without being dismissive and hostile for... basically the only reason is you're tired of hearing about America I guess?

???

Sorry I exist?

They are human beings who are more frequently able to relate to people who are similar to them based on shared experiences including social pressures. I don't think either gender is unable to relate to the other gender, but social pressure is pretty strong and leads to common outcomes that involve pressures based race, gender, and economic status among others. Someone from a wealthy family is more likely to have a certain outlook compared to someone who had food insecurity as a child.

I thought it wasn't gender specific? This is very sexist of you. wags finger

See how unhelpful that is to the conversation

yes, there is an incredibly amount of ignorance, and a lack of oversight about the entire thing.

and so many internet jackasses who think they are experts about it, constantly pushing endless misinformation about every aspect of the process. esp the armchair diagnosing.

'oh you had a bad day at work? you must have autism/adhd/depression/personality disorder'. or the fact anyone who was ever mean to you once in your life is a 'narcissist' or 'gas lighting' you.

the bias confirmation is out of hand. even in this very comment thread... soooo many people just banging on their bias confirmation drum and screaming 'no no no no, men are bad and should just go away and solve their own problems without bothering anyone at all ever!' as if that attitude isn't the biggest reason men, especially young men, feel so trapped about their lives.

how many well trained therapists are there out there who are totally objective, compared to poorly trained ones who will often perpetual their harmful biases?

does anyone know? how do we even measure that? do we just assume people who have a certain degree from a certain program are inherently 'objective'?

and even if you think that the psychology of genders isn’t different, society treats genders differently and this either from the therapist who reacts differently to different genders, or from the patient who expects difference the point is the same: the construct of gender forces artificial difference, even if it’s not based in real “our brains are the same” science (which they aren’t - same as our biology isn’t quite the same)

amen. brother, sister, or whatever preferred identity you want to be.

more treating people as individuals, less as treating them as stereotypes

What the fuck? Can you read?

Coping Skills are not gender specific. What a dope.

Funny, I was just reading comments in another thread about people with mental health problems proclaiming how terrific it is. Especially concerning is how they had found value in the recommendations LLMs make and "trying those out." One of the commenters described themselves as "neuro diverse" and was acting upon "advice" from generated LLM responses.

And for something like depression, this is deeply bad advice. I feel somewhat qualified to weigh in on it as somebody who has struggled severely with depression and managed to get through it with the support of a very capable therapist. There's a tremendous amount of depth and context to somebody's mental condition that involves more deliberate probing to understand than stringing together words until it forms sentences that mimic human interactions.

Let's not forget that an LLM will not be able to raise alarm bells, read medical records, write prescriptions or work with other medical professionals. Another thing people often forget is that LLMs have maximum token lengths and cannot, by definition, keep a detailed "memory" of everything that's been discussed.

It's is effectively self-treatment with more steps.

I also don't know what you want from me.

You gave your opinion about Tik Tok girls, I disagreed. That's it, typical internet disagreement, you can move on now.

I won't change my opinion on this matter so stop chasing after me like a homeless beggar.

dude people here just want to dunk on men because it makes them feel good about themselves. it's that sad, and that simple. they don't care about having empathy for men, men are not 'people'. they are 'others'.

they don't really give a shit about... the issue at hand or the issues in the therapy industry/society that systematically disenfranchise many men.

unironically they want men to 'man up' and 'fix' the problems and never acknowledge them. Because that is inconvenient for them and their viewpoints.

because to them everything is a weird power struggle for their particular disenfranchised group, and they see anyone else acknowledging anything else struggles as a detriment to their cause. they lack the big brain thought that maybe lots of people suffer in lots of different ways and that it's not some zero-sum game about 'who suffers the most'.

as if men's issue with the mental health care system... don't also apply to to various other groups. of which any one person can belong to multiples of those groups.

ok.

but the problem is that real therapy is expensive, and unaccessible, while AI is freely accessible, even though it's shit.

and open ai is profiting from that.

I'm just saying the blame should be aimed at the corporations and the healthcare system, rather than someone who is desperate for help

incels are people. their problems are legitimate problems.

why society can't acknowledge this is beyond me. I guess because it's socially unpalatable.

incels or any extremist thing (terfs, religions extremists, etc) ... is a product of the same issues. but people just want those people to 'go away' and not address the issues that would actaully make them go away... because that is hard.