Words hard

And I would go so far as to say that nobody who is buying 36 TB spinners is doing offsite backups of that data. For any org doing offsites of that much data you are almost guaranteed using a tape drive of some form because... they pay for themselves pretty fast and are much better for actual cold storage backups.

Seagate et al keep pushing for these truly massive spinners and I really do wonder who the market is for them. They are overly expensive for cold storage and basically any setup with that volume of data is going to be better off slowly rotating out smaller drives. Partially because of recovery times and partially because nobody but a sponsored youtuber is throwing out their 24 TB drives because 36 TB hit the market.

I assume these are a byproduct of some actually useful tech that is sold to help offset the costs while maybe REALLY REALLY REALLY want 72 TBs in their four bay Synology.

Yeah, but it's Seagate. I have worked in data centers, and Seagate drives had the most failures of all my drives and somehow is still in business. I'd say I was doing an RMA of 5-6 drives a month that were Seagate, and only 4-5 a year Western Digital.

Yes, fuck Newegg (and amazon too). I've been using B&H for disks and I have no complaints about them. They have the Seagate Ironwolf Pro 24TB at $479 currently, but last week it was on sale for $419. (I only look at 5yr warranty disks.)

I was not in a position to take advantage as I've already made my disk purchase this go around, so I'll wait for the next deep discount to hit if it is timely.

It will take about 36 hours to fill this drive at 270mb/s

That’s a long time to backup your giraffe porn collection.

You need a week to fill the hecking disk. flips server rack up in disappointment

I hate amazon but haven't been following stuff about newegg and have been buying from them now and then. No probs so far but yeah, B&H is also good. Also centralcomputer.com if you are in the SF bay area. Actual stores.

That's a lot of porn.

Well, largest this week. And

Yeah, $800 isn’t a small chunk of change, but for a hard drive of this capacity, it’s monumentally cheap.

Nah, a 24TB is $300 and some 20TB's are even lower $ per TB.

Yeah, but it's Seagate. I have worked in data centers, and Seagate drives had the most failures of all my drives and somehow is still in business. I'd say I was doing an RMA of 5-6 drives a month that were Seagate, and only 4-5 a year Western Digital.

Words hard

And I would go so far as to say that nobody who is buying 36 TB spinners is doing offsite backups of that data. For any org doing offsites of that much data you are almost guaranteed using a tape drive of some form because... they pay for themselves pretty fast and are much better for actual cold storage backups.

Seagate et al keep pushing for these truly massive spinners and I really do wonder who the market is for them. They are overly expensive for cold storage and basically any setup with that volume of data is going to be better off slowly rotating out smaller drives. Partially because of recovery times and partially because nobody but a sponsored youtuber is throwing out their 24 TB drives because 36 TB hit the market.

I assume these are a byproduct of some actually useful tech that is sold to help offset the costs while maybe REALLY REALLY REALLY want 72 TBs in their four bay Synology.

Been a long time since I set foot in a data center; are tape drives not still king for cold storage of data?

It depends on the size/"disruptiveness" of the company but yeah. You either have your own tape back up system or you contract out to someone who does and try not to think about what it means to be doing a glorified rsync of all your data offsite every week.

I wouldn't quite go so far as to say anyone doing genuine offsite backups using a spinning disc is wrong but...

The caveat I'll carve out is the hobbyist space where a lot of us will back up truly essential data to a cloud bucket or even a friend/family member's NAS. I... still think that is more wrong than not but (assuming you trust them and they have proper practices) it is probably the best way for a hobbyist to keep a backup without worrying about that USB drive degrading since it gets plugged in once a year.

Newegg was the nerd's paradise 10+ years ago. I would spend thousands each year on my homelab back then. They had great customer service and bent over backwards for them. Then they got bought out and squeezed and passed that squeeze right down to the customers. Accusing customers of damaging parts, etc. Lots of slimeball stuff. They also wanted to be like amazon, so they started selling beads, blenders and other assorted garbage alongside tech gear.

After a couple of minor incidents with them I saw the writing on the wall and went to amazon who were somewhat okay then. Once amazon started getting bad, I turned to B&H and fleaBay. I don't buy as much electronic stuff as I used to, but when I do these two are working....so far.

Defragmenting...

It will take about 36 hours to fill this drive at 270mb/s

That’s a long time to backup your giraffe porn collection.

Well, largest this week. And

Yeah, $800 isn’t a small chunk of change, but for a hard drive of this capacity, it’s monumentally cheap.

Nah, a 24TB is $300 and some 20TB's are even lower $ per TB.

I think if I needed to store 36TB of data, I would rather get several smaller disks.

What is B&H?

I've recently bought a series of 24TB drives from both Amazon and Newegg. Each one I got was either DOA or shortly thereafter. I just gave up but I would love to have a better source.

What kind of degenerate do you think I am? That’s 36 hours to back up my walrus porn collection.