Say Hello to the World's Largest Hard Drive, a Massive 36TB Seagate
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Refurbished drives sound scary. Any data to point towards that not being a problem?
As mentioned by another user, all drives fail, it's a matter of when, not if. Which is why you should always use RAID arrangement with at least one redundant drive and/or have full backups.
Ultimately, it's a money game. If you save 30% on a recertified drive and it has 20% less total life than a new one, you're winning.
Here's where I got some.
Manufacturer Recertified Drives | Enterprise Grade
Manufacturer Recertified enterprise drives work and look like new. Rebuilt by the manufacturer and quality tested to ensure they function as new, our recertified drives save on cost. Shop now!
ServerPartDeals.com (serverpartdeals.com)
I looked around a bit, and either search engines suck nowadays (possibly true regardless) or there are no independent studies comparing certified and new drives.
All you get mostly opinion pieces or promises by resellers that actually, their products are good. Clearly no conflict of interest there. /s
The best I could find was this, but that's not amazing either.
What I do is look at backblaze's drive stats for their new drives, find a model that has a good amount of data and low failure rate, then get a recertified one and hope their recertification process is good and I don't get a lemon.
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Ain't nothing about me is average except for the size of my cock.
Your array sounds pretty average to be fair
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That’s fine…they don’t need to release it under their Exos line of enterprise drives. SMR don’t do well in raid arrays especially not highly utilized ones. They require idle time to cleanup and the rebuild times are horrendous.
SMR is designed for enterprise raid that is SMR-aware.
I'm not aware of any open-source zoned storage raid but I think Ceph is planning to add support next month.
Getting Started with SMR Hard Disks | Zoned Storage
Hard disk drives that use Shingled Magnetic Recording
(zonedstorage.io)
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That's roughly what I have now, and I only have about 200gb left, so I kind of wish I could get a little more right now. This is across 7 drives. I really hope storing data becomes faster and cheaper in the future because as it keeps growing over the past few decades, it gets longer and longer to replace and move this much data...
SSDs are getting crazy cheap.
If you need 10tb of storage, you could get 2x used 10tb hdds in raid 1 for $200, but 6x used 2tb nvme in raid 5 is only $600 and 100x faster. Both take up the same amount of space.
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with this I can store at least 3 modern "AAA" games
More like zero, cause modern AAA games require an NVME (or at least an SSD) and this is a good old fashioned 7200 RPM drive.
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More like zero, cause modern AAA games require an NVME (or at least an SSD) and this is a good old fashioned 7200 RPM drive.
Surely no games actually require a SSD?
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That’s fine…they don’t need to release it under their Exos line of enterprise drives. SMR don’t do well in raid arrays especially not highly utilized ones. They require idle time to cleanup and the rebuild times are horrendous.
There are a number of enterprise storage systems optimized specifically for SMR drives. This is targeting actual data centers, not us humble homelabbers masquerading as enterprises.
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Surely no games actually require a SSD?
A lot of modern AAA games require an SSD, actually.
On top of my head:
Cyberpunk, Marvel's Spider-Man 2, Hogwarts Legacy, Dead Space remake, Starfield, Baulder's Gate 3, Palworld, Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart -
No, but I have downloaded yours.
I have seeded your mom.
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Are people still mining chia ?
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A lot of modern AAA games require an SSD, actually.
On top of my head:
Cyberpunk, Marvel's Spider-Man 2, Hogwarts Legacy, Dead Space remake, Starfield, Baulder's Gate 3, Palworld, Ratchet & Clank: Rift ApartIt's not a hard requirement.
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It's not a hard requirement.
They stream data from it while you play, so if you don't have an SSD you'll get pauses in game play.
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for POrn, but who downloads porn nowadays. unless its the illegal kind.
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They stream data from it while you play, so if you don't have an SSD you'll get pauses in game play.
Sure, you might.
But Baulder’s Gate 3 for example, which claims to require an SSD in it's system requirements runs just fine on a HDD.
It's just the developer making sure you get optimal performance.
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for POrn, but who downloads porn nowadays. unless its the illegal kind.
Get your meds, man
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Makes me shudder. I have to replace a drive in my array, because it is degraded. It's a 4TB. Imagine having to replace one of these. I'd much rather have a bunch of cheaper drives, even if they are a bit more expensive per TB, because the replacement cost will eventually make the total cost of ownership lower.
Also, repeat with me: "Please give me a Toshiba or Hitachi, please"
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There are a number of enterprise storage systems optimized specifically for SMR drives. This is targeting actual data centers, not us humble homelabbers masquerading as enterprises.
humble homelabbers masquerading
LMAO!!
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A lot of modern AAA games require an SSD, actually.
On top of my head:
Cyberpunk, Marvel's Spider-Man 2, Hogwarts Legacy, Dead Space remake, Starfield, Baulder's Gate 3, Palworld, Ratchet & Clank: Rift ApartIndeed, as others have said this isn't a hard requirement. Anyone with a handheld (e.g. Steam Deck) playing off a uSD card uses a device that's an order of magnitude slower for sequential I/O
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It's not a hard requirement.
I can personally guarantee that it is a hard requirement for Spider-Man and Ratchet
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If you've got a RAID array with 1 or 2 parity then manufacturer recertified drives are fine; those are typically drives that just aged out before being deployed, or were traded in when a large array upgraded.
If you're really paranoid you should be mixing mfg dates anyway, so keep some factory new and then add the recerts so the drive pools have a healthy split.
Yep staggering manufacturing dates is a good suggestion. I do it but it does make purchasing during sales periods to get good prices harder. Better than losing multiple drives at once, but RAID needs a backup anyway and nobody should skip that step.
