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What Does a Post-Google Internet Look Like

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  • Welcome to the future, where asking a question costs $4.99 and you'll never be able to find out if the answer is right or not.

    written before reading the article; it get the topic from another, more interesting and less imaginary, angle

    Do we explore it post-Google or post-anything that would take its place?

    Because those are two very different scenarios. There are plenty of Big Tech corps that are willing to take Google's place.

    If we actually mean no one does search with targeted advertising and stuff, my bets are on more indie sites popping up, and Fediverse getting stronger as well.

    We'll have more link indices, and more relevant search results hosted on different corners of the Internet.

    On the negative: unless open-source projects step up their game, usability and quality of web interfaces will suffer dramatically. And without truly massive Fediverse or at least decent webrings, finding basic information and connecting to others might actually get harder.

  • Welcome to the future, where asking a question costs $4.99 and you'll never be able to find out if the answer is right or not.

    just dont use google? I havent used google search for years now and there hasnt been single time where i would have needed to use google search even once. Though unfortunately i'm still bound to the damn gmail because i cant find better alternative for it.

  • just dont use google? I havent used google search for years now and there hasnt been single time where i would have needed to use google search even once. Though unfortunately i'm still bound to the damn gmail because i cant find better alternative for it.

    Though unfortunately i’m still bound to the damn gmail because i cant find better alternative for it.

    I self-host my e-mails, but that probably isn't a viable solution for just everyone.

  • Though unfortunately i’m still bound to the damn gmail because i cant find better alternative for it.

    I self-host my e-mails, but that probably isn't a viable solution for just everyone.

    i just want a service that i dont have to hassle with, so this would definitely not be good for me 😅
    Also i dont think many places even accept self hosted email as "real", at least some places dont accept alias addresses.

    its so annoying when any decent alternative costs money, which isnt very good thing for my "official" email which i need for important things. Dont want to end up in situation where i get locked out of it because i didnt or couldnt pay for some reason. Though i constantly have to slightly fear that with google too since they can lock anyone's account for any reason they see fit.

  • Though unfortunately i’m still bound to the damn gmail because i cant find better alternative for it.

    I self-host my e-mails, but that probably isn't a viable solution for just everyone.

    Gmail is way more reliable than anything I could self-host. It's a huge pile of unsorted junk that is only usable with search.

  • Good call, I should have worded that better. While the government and scientists were instrumental in creating the foundation for the internet, I was thinking more along the lines of the early PC era. When the internet was more or less a tool for openly sharing and discussing information as well as ideas.

    But a lot of tech stems from governmental need and/or government funding. I mean, the modern refrigerator was a result of NASA problem solving for the environmental conditions found in space! GPS, LASIK, MRI's, LED's, barcodes, closed captioning, and the human genome project were all also thanks to government research too!

  • Good call, I should have worded that better. While the government and scientists were instrumental in creating the foundation for the internet, I was thinking more along the lines of the early PC era. When the internet was more or less a tool for openly sharing and discussing information as well as ideas.

    But a lot of tech stems from governmental need and/or government funding. I mean, the modern refrigerator was a result of NASA problem solving for the environmental conditions found in space! GPS, LASIK, MRI's, LED's, barcodes, closed captioning, and the human genome project were all also thanks to government research too!

    Thanks for taking my trolling in good stride. I actually loved the internet of 20 years ago. It was totally different from today, it's actually a shame a lot of the way it was is gone forever. I vividly remember frequenting a few blogs, just slow chatting in the comments, making your own response images, hosting your own stuff like these images, sound clips and whatever else. Most ISP's would give you some server space to host your own static html pages, and lot's of people used this. The blogs would host photoshop contests, link to stuff they liked, reported on news or music or whatever their niche. The blogs I visited are mostly still around today, but they just don't draw the engagement anymore.

  • It's yours, no issues trusting a public instance with your searches. Pages full of settings to tweak as you like. Less problems with an algorithm 'helping' you. It averages searches over multiple search engines that you choose, you can set up your own (or a curated) block list of crappy AI slop sites, don't like fandom.com or something, gone. Manage your own bangs, e.g. !aa for annas-archive. Pipe it through a VPN with gluetun for better isolation. If you have your head around docker already it's more like half an hour to set up, so why not?

    Can hook it up to perplexica and a local LLM for a fully local AI search that you define, use it as a MCP server, do deep research with it...

    That is awesome. A little beyond me but I've played in docker a bit. Is a VPN needed to keep your ip from being exposed ?

    Is just using an existing searxng instance just less secure then?

  • Welcome to the future, where asking a question costs $4.99 and you'll never be able to find out if the answer is right or not.

    Lmao there's whole books about this. One is Life After Google, published 10 (?) years ago and it said blockchain would rule the world 🙂 The subtitle is literally "The Fall Of Big Data And The Rise Of The Blockchain Economy"

  • That is awesome. A little beyond me but I've played in docker a bit. Is a VPN needed to keep your ip from being exposed ?

    Is just using an existing searxng instance just less secure then?

    Is a VPN needed to keep your ip from being exposed ?

    No more so than using any search engine directly, it's a nice to have. Don't let perfect be the enemy of good enough.

    Is just using an existing searxng instance just less secure then?

    By the time you've investigated it, you could have stood up your own instance...

  • Thanks for taking my trolling in good stride. I actually loved the internet of 20 years ago. It was totally different from today, it's actually a shame a lot of the way it was is gone forever. I vividly remember frequenting a few blogs, just slow chatting in the comments, making your own response images, hosting your own stuff like these images, sound clips and whatever else. Most ISP's would give you some server space to host your own static html pages, and lot's of people used this. The blogs would host photoshop contests, link to stuff they liked, reported on news or music or whatever their niche. The blogs I visited are mostly still around today, but they just don't draw the engagement anymore.

    I'm just sad I'm too young to have ever seen that old internet, and what it was like...

    Makes me more determined to try and steer the current internet back in that direction though.

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    Most still are/can be. Enough that I find it hard to believe people are missing out without podcasts through these paid services.
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    Same, especially when searching technical or niche topics. Since there aren't a ton of results specific to the topic, mostly semi-related results will appear in the first page or two of a regular (non-Gemini) Google search, just due to the higher popularity of those webpages compared to the relevant webpages. Even the relevant webpages will have lots of non-relevant or semi-relevant information surrounding the answer I'm looking for. I don't know enough about it to be sure, but Gemini is probably just scraping a handful of websites on the first page, and since most of those are only semi-related, the resulting summary is a classic example of garbage in, garbage out. I also think there's probably something in the code that looks for information that is shared across multiple sources and prioritizing that over something that's only on one particular page (possibly the sole result with the information you need). Then, it phrases the summary as a direct answer to your query, misrepresenting the actual information on the pages they scraped. At least Gemini gives sources, I guess. The thing that gets on my nerves the most is how often I see people quote the summary as proof of something without checking the sources. It was bad before the rollout of Gemini, but at least back then Google was mostly scraping text and presenting it with little modification, along with a direct link to the webpage. Now, it's an LLM generating text phrased as a direct answer to a question (that was also AI-generated from your search query) using AI-summarized data points scraped from multiple webpages. It's obfuscating the source material further, but I also can't help but feel like it exposes a little of the behind-the-scenes fuckery Google has been doing for years before Gemini. How it bastardizes your query by interpreting it into a question, and then prioritizes homogeneous results that agree on the "answer" to your "question". For years they've been doing this to a certain extent, they just didn't share how they interpreted your query.
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    Because artists are still there.
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