Twitter founder Jack Dorsey pumps $10 million into a nonprofit to build Nostr-based social media apps
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What are the differences between Nostr, AT Protocol and ActivityPub?
That's more complicated than a short comment can summarize
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Having fucked up social discourse with Twitter and then Bluesky, Jack Dorsey claims he has seen the error of his ways, and definitely won't do it a third time with his new nonprofit aimed at helping developers build and deploy (OSS or commercial) social media tech built on the Nostr platform (with AI!). Yeesh, I might be biased. Maybe I shouldn't be writing these summaries.
Jack Dorsey pumps $10M into a nonprofit focused on open source social media | TechCrunch
Dorsey's initial investment has gotten the new nonprofit "andOtherStuff" up and running, and he worked on some of its initial iOS apps.
TechCrunch (techcrunch.com)
I'm out of the loop, what went wrong with Bluesky?
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Why is he so hated here? Twitter model is one thing that is kinda fit for global-open-decentralized approaches without much difference for the user. I could never use it, but plenty of people do and seem to have a feeling of hivemind over it.
Because the tech he makes is inherently terrible and despite being used in a positive way it is still centralized and ripe for misuse by people like Musk. On top of that the long term feasibility is based on advertising potential to get the funding.
He says positive stuff most of the time but his actions are the opposite. Blusky is supposed to be decentralized, but the structure as it exists requires it to actually be centralized when implemented. Plus his most recent 'secure' thing wasn't even tested for security issues because he is a hype man who constantly lies.
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I feel like nonprofit should come with default quotations nowadays. At this point it's just a way to avoid taxation during development until you have a feasible route to profitability.
don't you avoid taxes anyway if you're not profitable?
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I'm out of the loop, what went wrong with Bluesky?
He doesn't like it because it's the same as twitter according to him.
Journalists don't like it because they get called out on bullshit there.
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What are the differences between Nostr, AT Protocol and ActivityPub?
LLM answer ok?
Nostr, ActivityPub, and the AT Protocol (used by Bluesky) are all decentralized social media protocols, but they differ significantly in their architecture, approach to data storage, and user experience. Nostr focuses on user-led social media with a simple, flexible protocol centered around relays, while ActivityPub powers the Fediverse with federated instances and a more complex structure. The AT Protocol, used by Bluesky, prioritizes account portability and a more structured data model. [1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8]
Here's a more detailed breakdown:- Nostr:
• Focus: User-led social media with a focus on decentralization, user control, and censorship resistance. [1, 2]
• Architecture: Relays (servers) handle communication and data relaying. Users connect to multiple relays, and there are no instances in the traditional sense. [9, 10]
• Data Storage: Data is stored across multiple relays, and users can choose which relays to interact with. [9, 10]
• User Experience: Emphasizes simplicity, flexibility, and user autonomy in content and moderation. [2]
• Strengths: Decentralized, censorship-resistant, and adaptable to various use cases. [2, 10]
• Weaknesses: Smaller network compared to ActivityPub and AT Protocol. [7, 10]- ActivityPub:
• Focus: Federated social networking, enabling communication between different instances (servers). [1, 1, 11, 11]
• Architecture: Relies on a network of independently run servers (instances) that federate (exchange data) with each other. [1, 1, 11, 11]
• Data Storage: Each instance stores its own data. [3, 3]
• User Experience: Mimics traditional social media platforms with features like following, liking, and commenting. [11, 11, 12, 12]
• Strengths: Established ecosystem with a large number of users and diverse applications (Mastodon, PeerTube, etc.). [1, 1, 13, 13]
• Weaknesses: Can be more complex than Nostr due to the federated structure, and moderation can vary between instances. [2, 2, 3, 3, 14]- AT Protocol (Bluesky):
• Focus: Account portability and a structured data model. [3, 3, 4, 4, 15]
• Architecture: Uses a layered approach with a data layer (hosted by Bluesky) and a protocol for interacting with that data. [3, 3, 4, 4]
• Data Storage: User data is stored in signed data repositories. [4, 4]
• User Experience: Designed for a more modern and potentially smoother user experience. [3, 3, 4, 4, 16]
• Strengths: Prioritizes account portability and aims for a better user experience. [3, 3, 6, 6]
• Weaknesses: Currently relies on Bluesky for its data layer, raising concerns about centralization. [3, 3]In essence:
ActivityPub
is a mature protocol powering a vast network of federated servers with a wide range of applications.
Nostr
is a simpler, more user-centric protocol focused on decentralization and user control.
AT Protocol
prioritizes account portability and a modern user experience, but is currently more centralized due to its data layer dependence. [2, 3, 3, 5, 6, 6, 7, 17]
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What are the differences between Nostr, AT Protocol and ActivityPub?
I think the main one is that Nostr is supposed to be really simple, and derive some security/privacy from that simplicity. Whereas ATProto and ActivityPub store and forward content so that each rely has a copy, on Nostr nodes the messages are all ephemeral. So it has something of a following with crypto bros and privacy enthusiasts. With nostr IDs are also based on public/private keys unlike ATProto/ActivityPub that use a username@instancename scheme, so signing and identifying content that belongs to a user is easier and more guaranteed to be correct, and your username isn't tied to any specific server "instance"
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don't you avoid taxes anyway if you're not profitable?
Nah, you still end up paying state and local taxes. Income/revenue is different than profit.
Plus, being a non profit allows for people like Jack to utilize donations as tax deductions.
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Having fucked up social discourse with Twitter and then Bluesky, Jack Dorsey claims he has seen the error of his ways, and definitely won't do it a third time with his new nonprofit aimed at helping developers build and deploy (OSS or commercial) social media tech built on the Nostr platform (with AI!). Yeesh, I might be biased. Maybe I shouldn't be writing these summaries.
Jack Dorsey pumps $10M into a nonprofit focused on open source social media | TechCrunch
Dorsey's initial investment has gotten the new nonprofit "andOtherStuff" up and running, and he worked on some of its initial iOS apps.
TechCrunch (techcrunch.com)
Like it or not, Nostr is the only one that doesn't tie my identity to a server. I've lost several Lemmy accounts during the Reddit migration and I've had to subscribe to new instances all over again. Once it's down, really hard to migrate anything
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Looks like he and Zuck have the same stylist. Anyone know what this look is called, with the oversized tee and chain around his neck?
He looks like he’s turning into Mel Gibson.
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Me reading this with a gold nose ring
Me reading this with a hippie beard.
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Me reading this with a hippie beard.
Me reading this not having heard a "no" since 2006.
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Nah, you still end up paying state and local taxes. Income/revenue is different than profit.
Plus, being a non profit allows for people like Jack to utilize donations as tax deductions.
We need stronger rules for non profits then.
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Looks like he and Zuck have the same stylist. Anyone know what this look is called, with the oversized tee and chain around his neck?
Techno King Asshole. TKA for short.
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I'm out of the loop, what went wrong with Bluesky?
jack hates trans ppl and trans ppl made bluesky what it is.
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LLM answer ok?
Nostr, ActivityPub, and the AT Protocol (used by Bluesky) are all decentralized social media protocols, but they differ significantly in their architecture, approach to data storage, and user experience. Nostr focuses on user-led social media with a simple, flexible protocol centered around relays, while ActivityPub powers the Fediverse with federated instances and a more complex structure. The AT Protocol, used by Bluesky, prioritizes account portability and a more structured data model. [1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8]
Here's a more detailed breakdown:- Nostr:
• Focus: User-led social media with a focus on decentralization, user control, and censorship resistance. [1, 2]
• Architecture: Relays (servers) handle communication and data relaying. Users connect to multiple relays, and there are no instances in the traditional sense. [9, 10]
• Data Storage: Data is stored across multiple relays, and users can choose which relays to interact with. [9, 10]
• User Experience: Emphasizes simplicity, flexibility, and user autonomy in content and moderation. [2]
• Strengths: Decentralized, censorship-resistant, and adaptable to various use cases. [2, 10]
• Weaknesses: Smaller network compared to ActivityPub and AT Protocol. [7, 10]- ActivityPub:
• Focus: Federated social networking, enabling communication between different instances (servers). [1, 1, 11, 11]
• Architecture: Relies on a network of independently run servers (instances) that federate (exchange data) with each other. [1, 1, 11, 11]
• Data Storage: Each instance stores its own data. [3, 3]
• User Experience: Mimics traditional social media platforms with features like following, liking, and commenting. [11, 11, 12, 12]
• Strengths: Established ecosystem with a large number of users and diverse applications (Mastodon, PeerTube, etc.). [1, 1, 13, 13]
• Weaknesses: Can be more complex than Nostr due to the federated structure, and moderation can vary between instances. [2, 2, 3, 3, 14]- AT Protocol (Bluesky):
• Focus: Account portability and a structured data model. [3, 3, 4, 4, 15]
• Architecture: Uses a layered approach with a data layer (hosted by Bluesky) and a protocol for interacting with that data. [3, 3, 4, 4]
• Data Storage: User data is stored in signed data repositories. [4, 4]
• User Experience: Designed for a more modern and potentially smoother user experience. [3, 3, 4, 4, 16]
• Strengths: Prioritizes account portability and aims for a better user experience. [3, 3, 6, 6]
• Weaknesses: Currently relies on Bluesky for its data layer, raising concerns about centralization. [3, 3]In essence:
ActivityPub
is a mature protocol powering a vast network of federated servers with a wide range of applications.
Nostr
is a simpler, more user-centric protocol focused on decentralization and user control.
AT Protocol
prioritizes account portability and a modern user experience, but is currently more centralized due to its data layer dependence. [2, 3, 3, 5, 6, 6, 7, 17]
AI responses may include mistakes.
I also have access to an internet
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Having fucked up social discourse with Twitter and then Bluesky, Jack Dorsey claims he has seen the error of his ways, and definitely won't do it a third time with his new nonprofit aimed at helping developers build and deploy (OSS or commercial) social media tech built on the Nostr platform (with AI!). Yeesh, I might be biased. Maybe I shouldn't be writing these summaries.
Jack Dorsey pumps $10M into a nonprofit focused on open source social media | TechCrunch
Dorsey's initial investment has gotten the new nonprofit "andOtherStuff" up and running, and he worked on some of its initial iOS apps.
TechCrunch (techcrunch.com)
Mel Gibson-looking ass
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Like it or not, Nostr is the only one that doesn't tie my identity to a server. I've lost several Lemmy accounts during the Reddit migration and I've had to subscribe to new instances all over again. Once it's down, really hard to migrate anything
This is the advantage of decentralization over federation. IMHO the fact that Lemmy is only federated really hurts it. Not so much for user accounts (in theory these can be backed up restored and moved. Not ideal but not awful) but in that communities are tied to servers. When the server a community is on goes away it is hugely damaging to that community.
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