"hey Google, preheat the oven to 350°"

It'd be nice to be able to do that while my hands are dirty doing something else, instead of stopping and cleaning them so I don't put salmonella on the oven knobs.

Easy enough to enforce. Put all your IoT devices into their own subnet/VLAN with no Internet access. Then, you'll quickly see which devices you need to replace, or just not use as "smart" devices.

I have a ton of smart devices that don't even connect to wifi at all. None of them have Internet access of any sort.

Easy enough! except, that most people don't even know what is a VLAN, let alone have any network device that supports it. It takes a special kind of router to have such settings, and no, OpenWRT is not the solution for that as they have limitations on the minimum amount of memory the device has to have

So it's a skill issue, then? Got it. Any old PC + a $10 pcie network adapter can be turned into a router capable of it.

You could just do that first

Sometimes I forget. It would also be useful if I'm not in the kitchen and want to start it without having to go there and back to what I was doing while waiting for it to heat, if it's something like a frozen pizza that doesn't take much prep time.

As someone with ADHD, the implemented order of operations is never logically optimal.

The more steps I have to do to course correct the more likely I fuck up the next thing.

Home automation is a godsend for me.

I don't have an air fryer but if I did, the biggest help for me would be some sort of obnoxiously obvious reminder the nuggs are done so I don't A) burn the house down, or B) have cold nuggs when I wake up from my hyperfocus an hour later.

People: Oh how cool, I can monitor my chicken nuggets from my couch ~5m away.

This would genuinely be handy for me though. I've got a nine year old, and have similar aged kids over quite regularly. If I'm dealing with the kids, I can't always hear the air fryer finishing. A notification to the phone that's in my pocket would be really helpful.

As you say though, there's always shit tacked on

I only buy cheap shit. And I never, ever, ever ever ever connect anything to the net that doesn't absolutely need to be connected.

If I need an air fryer and the cheap one has smart shit on it. I will never connect that shit to the net. Never. Why the fuck would I? It's an air fryer. Not a laptop.

it is first and foremost a

Hardware issue.

but also who the fuck wants to have a power hungry PC as the router. old PC, so we can probably count with 80 W at the least

but also, how the fuck would a PC help with the skill issue?

I set a timer on your phone to match(ish) the timer on the air fryer

It means you don't know how to make it work. Last I checked, a used N100 all in one PC with dual Ethernet is cheaper than even most brand new consumer routers, and also sips watts.

My husband has been wondering if he should get formally diagnosed for ADHD now that our kid has been. (Talk about a carbon copy of a parent, this kid, geeze.) This explains a lot about the way he cooks. He always says it’s because he “needs more practice” but all I see is a chaotic stressful experience, and of course if I try to help him I just get in the way and make him irritated that I seem to think he can’t manage it on his own. Anyway all I’m saying is that it’s interesting to read your comment because I wonder if that’s my husband’s trouble, too.

Certainly sounds familiar, my tip to him is to try and write recipes down and get in the habit of mise en place-ing (prep chopping / pre-measuring) when you know what you're gonna cook. Once the food hits the hot pan, any semblance of a plan goes out the window

(but also know "sticking to habits" is hard for us with ADHD, as it frequently goes against our nature, so don't be shocked if he struggles there)

I tend to be the one to cook the "whatever's leftover in the fridge" dish, which is a guaranteed source of a little chaos. In those instances it's always helpful to have my wife around to pass ingredients or do some prep tasks on the side so I don't lose focus and burn the onions.

Also, if you don't already have recipes written down, having someone help build out a recipe book as you go can help smooth out future cooks.

Shout out to Recipe Keeper - after a first cook, usually from a website or book, we put everything we like in there for future reference.

largest majority of smarthome shit users don't know or care how computers work. are you willing to legally ban them from buying these garbage? or what is the solution?

and then they need to set it up (wtf, they have issues navigating their phones), and get it maintained (updates)

also, in my area most people either use the ISP router, or buy the cheapest ones which is around 50-75 eur which there are plenty, and they are already complaining that it's too expensive

cheapest n100 I see here is 100 eur: https://www.amazon.fr/intel-n100/s?k=intel+n100

I'm not in france.

There are numerous benefits in IoT / smart home and ubiquitous computing. Used in the right ways it can make your life so much better and even save lives. It is just sad to see all the wasted potential, the greediness and straight up noncompliance with basic human rights and needs for simplicity and privacy in its design.

Funny enough, it got me into reading some threads of people reverse engineering air fryer APIs (didn't expect that to ever happen) and it reminded me again of how great and compassionate some people are. Makes the stupid cat and mouse game seem even more stupid when 3 guys in their spare time can rebuild a 5 layer deep authentication stack with some unknown Philips / Xiaomi server that probably needed tens or even hundreds of engineers to build in an obfuscated manner in the first place.

I completely agree. If it's a household appliance, it better not fucking connect to the internet.

I just recently started getting into smart home products such as smart plugs and stuff and I absolutely make certain that they don't have internet connection and use home assistant to keep the data local.

I will only use Zigbee or Z-Wave devices so that there's no way they can connect to the internet.

You can't buy used on Amazon. I said used

The largest majority of people also can't be bothered to do a single shred of research before buying something. How is that anyone else's problem but theirs?

The best consumer protection comes from the consumer. Do a bit of research before you buy something.

If you can't be bothered to take a few extra minutes to do that, then quite frankly, you deserve to be fucked by scammers.

Again. That's a lack of skill. Why is it my problem?

If they can't be bothered to do 5 minutes of research before buying something, that's on them.

Caveat emptor.