lemm.ee is shutting down at the end of this month
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The key reason is that we just don’t have enough people on the admin team to keep the place running. Most of the admin team has stepped down, mostly due to burnout, and finding replacements hasn’t worked out.
Thanks, admins, your efforts and patience have been greatly appreciated.
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The sad reality is that while there are a lot of great people on Lemmy, there are also some who use the platform to attack others, stir up conflict, or actively try to undermine the project. Admins are volunteers who deal with the latter group on a constant basis, this takes a mental toll. Please understand why our admins chose to step down, and be kind to the admins on whatever instance you decide to join.
This always going to happen when a small group of people are going to try and the communications of a much larger group. They cannot scale and the more they try to keep up, the more tgey will cut corners and take easy, lazy decision.
Instead, everyone has to participate in community self-moderation. It should all be transparent and optionnal. Local sorting algorithms showing users what they ask to see.
Having a secret vanguard operating in the shadows is not acceptable,. Not only ut hurts them until they grow big enough to be the efficient secret police but then it creates an underlying organization of control shaping discourse on the entire platform.
The way forward is NOT to be reddit with extra steps.
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I’ve noticed this a ton over the last two or three months. Lemmy has become so much more negative than it was when I joined. It’s a real bummer. I can’t even imagine trying to be a mod or an admin.
My instance constantly gets attacked for being a "pro genocide nazi instance". Which totally is not the case, but admins and mods are trying to ensure that no content is posted that is illegal where they live. And local rules here are also quite sensible.
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The sad reality is that while there are a lot of great people on Lemmy, there are also some who use the platform to attack others, stir up conflict, or actively try to undermine the project. Admins are volunteers who deal with the latter group on a constant basis, this takes a mental toll. Please understand why our admins chose to step down, and be kind to the admins on whatever instance you decide to join.
It's gotten to be as bad as Facebook and Reddit, tbh. Less of a reason to use it over the competition.
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The key reason is that we just don’t have enough people on the admin team to keep the place running. Most of the admin team has stepped down, mostly due to burnout, and finding replacements hasn’t worked out.
This suuuucks. We need another big, general instance that doesn't defed everyone. But I get it, being an admin sounds like a lot of work or I would do it lol. Plus I don't have place for a server around here. Or do most admins just buy space from the cloud?
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My instance constantly gets attacked for being a "pro genocide nazi instance". Which totally is not the case, but admins and mods are trying to ensure that no content is posted that is illegal where they live. And local rules here are also quite sensible.
How often do those laws actually get enforced, especially for small online communities who are against genocide? Like I understand not wanting to run afoul of the law, even if the law is immoral, but is it a realistic risk?
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The key reason is that we just don’t have enough people on the admin team to keep the place running. Most of the admin team has stepped down, mostly due to burnout, and finding replacements hasn’t worked out.
Oh no, they got tired of abusing their power.
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Managing a federated network comes with a lot of responsibility.
Not really.
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This suuuucks. We need another big, general instance that doesn't defed everyone. But I get it, being an admin sounds like a lot of work or I would do it lol. Plus I don't have place for a server around here. Or do most admins just buy space from the cloud?
There are already instances that aren't eager to defederate to suit a few complainers.
They just need users.
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Oh no, they got tired of abusing their power.
You're the problem
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How often do those laws actually get enforced, especially for small online communities who are against genocide? Like I understand not wanting to run afoul of the law, even if the law is immoral, but is it a realistic risk?
First of all, telling admins that they should break the law and face legal risks and fines because you want it is exactly what the Lemm.ee admins are talking about. Burning out, problems with replacements and so on. And second: We are talking about content in the style of "Israel has to die, kill all the jews" and yes, people get prosecuted for that. And you really do not want stuff like that on your instance, even if your country allows it
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How often do those laws actually get enforced, especially for small online communities who are against genocide? Like I understand not wanting to run afoul of the law, even if the law is immoral, but is it a realistic risk?
Difficult question. I think it's realistic. Hate speech laws are enforced against individuals on a regular basis. If a German instance tolerated illegal content, then I expect the instance would sooner or later be involved in a prosecution. The prosecution would be against the user, though. The instance would only have to provide data to police. I'm not sure at what point the instance owners themselves would be found to violate these laws.
Apart from that, the instance is required to remove illegal content per the DSA. I think it's realistic to expect that a prosecution would lead to a closer look at the instance.
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The key reason is that we just don’t have enough people on the admin team to keep the place running. Most of the admin team has stepped down, mostly due to burnout, and finding replacements hasn’t worked out.
The double edged sword of not defederating from other instances is that the worst instaces that most block will use your space to keep shoveling their bullshit to more people.
It creats a lot of extra work for the admins/mods
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The key reason is that we just don’t have enough people on the admin team to keep the place running. Most of the admin team has stepped down, mostly due to burnout, and finding replacements hasn’t worked out.
Damn, it was like the 2/3rd most active instance
https://lemmyverse.net/ to search for a new instance
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Consider moving them to PieFed
It has powerful mod features that Lemmy does not
Are Lemmy apps compatible with piefed instances?
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Are Lemmy apps compatible with piefed instances?
Yes, all content is shared
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I’ve noticed this a ton over the last two or three months. Lemmy has become so much more negative than it was when I joined. It’s a real bummer. I can’t even imagine trying to be a mod or an admin.
Based on the uptick in "I was banned from Reddit" posts, I'm thinking that we're getting a lot more users that were banned for good reason from Reddit. Looks like Reddit has also stepped up their game in their ability to keep those users off their platform.
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Consider moving them to PieFed
It has powerful mod features that Lemmy does not
I really like the "Feeds" feature of PieFed, it allows anyone to combine all of the different communities into a single feed. It really makes browsing something like "Technology" a lot better.
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Based on the uptick in "I was banned from Reddit" posts, I'm thinking that we're getting a lot more users that were banned for good reason from Reddit. Looks like Reddit has also stepped up their game in their ability to keep those users off their platform.
Oh that’s an interesting thought that I hadn’t had.
Hopefully we aren’t becoming the containment board.
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The key reason is that we just don’t have enough people on the admin team to keep the place running. Most of the admin team has stepped down, mostly due to burnout, and finding replacements hasn’t worked out.
Farewell Lemm.ee, it was a good two years.
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