When racists hear "Russians do X," yes, they'll attribute that to many ethnic Russians outside of Russia.

Look at the Japanese internment during WW2, tons of people were accused of being spys and interned simply because of their ethnicity, even if they had lived here for decades (or were even born here). Japanese people got mistreated for years after WW2 just because they were Japanese, without any association w/ the Japanese government. Why? Because propaganda associated the terrible actions of the Japanese government with the Japanese people and turned US citizens on each other.

So yes, I will push back on anything that even smells like that kind of BS. I will not tolerate generalizations like this, even if most "normal" people understand what it means. People already associate Jewish people in the US w/ Israel, even though many (most?) actually don't like the Israeli state. So no, I will not sit back and allow casual intolerance to go unquestioned.

Yes, it's not the point of the article, but I saw similar wording several times in comments on this post, hence my comment here (it seemed the most relevant subthread to drop it into).

You think that caging brown people "for no reason" is a disgusting comparison to the Holocaust?

This is unreal. I didn't see this conversation coming at all. You're actually doing nazi apologia. You're refusing to acknowledge the pressure building in your pipes only because the pipes haven't burst yet. How many brown people do you want to die before you're willing to concede this? Do we need to wait until the full 6 million?

they do have to follow US law in how they treat people

No. They don't.

• Neither Democrat congress members nor journalists are allowed to see what's happening inside that camp. Rather, they are, legally, but they're being prevented from doing so anyway.
• The Democrats are weak and refuse to punish Republicans for anything. If there is no threat of punishment, they can just do whatever they want. Republicans have abused this weakness of Democrats like 5 billion times.
• The Big Beautiful Bill includes a provision that judicial funds cannot be used to pursue rulings. This passed, so, if it can't be repealed, this means it is illegal to use funds intended to punish criminals to seek punishment for Republicans breaking the law. This kills the law.

Call them out on actual policy issues

Call them out for being evil. Their policies are evil.

If the majority of Republicans are not evil, as you say, then they should have no problem dropping the line. They can form a new party, and the current one can be dropped into a wastebin in hell.

"Russians do X,"

*Russia.

You keep making this mistake. I'm starting to think you're doing it deliberately.

Because propaganda associated the terrible actions of the Japanese government with the Japanese people

Are you not reinforcing the idea that a country's name refers to its people by insisting that everyone else and not you are the ones nefariously conflating the two?

The idea that a people are the same as their country is nationalism. How are you battling nationalism by preventing people from saying a country's name?

If you said "Netanyahu did this," and fair, he does a lot of things, would the racist not assume that the Isreali people elected him and thus agree with him anyway? Because they're "of the same kind."

You seem to think that their racism is derived from a simple misconception and not, like, a deep-seated fear and paranoia.

If you see someone say "Isreal does this," then assume they mean the state. If you see someone say "let's bomb Isreal into the shadow realm," then politely snap their neck. It's not that hard.

You keep making this mistake. I’m starting to think you’re doing it deliberately.

It's not a mistake, I see that type of language a lot. If the language was specifically "Russia does X", then it's not a problem, because it's referring to the government.

The idea that a people are the same as their country is nationalism. How are you battling nationalism by preventing people from saying a country’s name?

Nationalism sucks, and I'm trying to distinguish between the country doing a thing (i.e. its leadership) and the people doing a thing. The people in the US elected Trump, but the people in the US aren't doing what Trump did, so it's absolutely fallacious to say something like "Americans are deporting people," when that's being done by the administration, not everyday people.

That's it.

would the racist not assume that the Isreali people elected him and thus agree with him anyway?

Sure, maybe. But a lot more people would get riled up if we said "Israelis did this," and then associate that with random Jewish people (most of whom have probably never been to Israel). Netanyahu/Israel doing a thing is quite different from Israelis doing a thing, because the latter has a lot more risk of lumping in non-Israelis into that nonsense.

Racism is certainly deeper than a headline/misconception, my point is that it can be stoked by loose language. Its that loose language that I'd like people to be more careful about.

Lol, that's great.

How many brown people do you want to die

How many have or are likely to die due to this? That would obviously depend on the duration of detention, and I honestly don't know much about that, but these people should have the right of due process since they're on US soil (5th and 14th amendments). So they can't just be incarcerated indefinitely (habeas corpus), they'd have to be tried or released in a timely fashion.

The Holocaust differs in so many ways:

• were largely labor camps, which later became extermination camps - as a detention facility, this means people are not convicted and therefore legally protected under the 13th amendment from forced labor; likewise, capital punishment only applies to those convicted
• people taken w/o violating any actual crimes - the detention facility is for those suspected of immigration crimes
• the intent was genocide - intent for detention facility is temporary holding until people can be tried or deported

It's not remotely the same thing, and comparing them is ridiculous rhetoric. Comparing everything the right does to Nazism and the Holocaust is intellectually dishonest, meant to convince someone to your side through emotional language instead of facts.

If there are deaths, they're going to be incidental to incarceration, as in people already in poor health dying due to added stress of incarceration or something, and not something directly done by the guards.

Rather, they are, legally, but they’re being prevented from doing so anyway.

And unfortunately, that's something that's going to have to be worked out in the courts. According to US law, they must be subject to audit to ensure Constitutional Law is being followed.

Democrats are weak

True, but I'm not sure what this has to do w/ anything.

The Big Beautiful Bill includes a provision that judicial funds cannot be used to pursue rulings. This passed, so, if it can’t be repealed, this means it is illegal to use funds intended to punish criminals to seek punishment for Republicans breaking the law. This kills the law.

If that's accurate (I haven't reviewed it), then that provision will likely be struck down by a court. You can't just hamstring the branch of the government that decides whether law is constitutional and expect them to just roll over, even the conservative Supreme Court would very likely strike this down.

If the majority of Republicans are not evil, as you say, then they should have no problem dropping the line.

And they have been. Look at Trump's approval rating. I live in a very red state, and he has a net negative approval rating here, which is absolutely bonkers. This will have an impact on the next couple elections, but it's hard to tell what the actual results will be. But if Trump keeps pissing off his base, it could get very spicy indeed.

I personally want AI that will delete itself upon being created, so I don't have to deal with it and the stupidity it causes in people

Ensure that Frontier AI Protects Fee Speech

revise the NST to eliminate references to misinformation, Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion, and climate change.

War is peace.

Freedom is slavery.

Ignorance is strength.

Censorship is free speech.

• people taken w/o violating any actual crimes - the detention facility is for those suspected of immigration crimes

Wow.

You know, it's no wonder you live in a red state; you're still bought into the republican propoganda. I believe you that the "immigrants" rounded up into unmarked ICE vans will be tried fairly, and only the vile criminals among them will be deported to an El Salvador slave camp.

• the intent was genocide - intent for detention facility is temporary holding until people can be tried or deported

Deporting people en masse is genocide.

even the conservative Supreme Court would very likely strike this down.

The conservative justices are loyal to the Republican party. The Republican party does not want to be held accountable. What on earth gives you the idea they'll want to strike this down?

Look at Trump's approval rating.

His approval rating is only down among Republicans because his tariffs have been hurting them and not the brown people they voted to kill.

They thought the white ethnostate Trump would usher in would make them lions among sheep, and they are only upset that they are among the sheep.

—Not to mention, listen to any on-the-streets interviews with republican voters about their disapproval, fucking all of them say they'd vote for him again.

it could get very spicy indeed.

Absolutely beside myself at your cavalier attitude. I do hope your state gets everything it voted for.

deported to an El Salvador slave camp.

That's the absolutely horrendous part, and you should be criticizing those camps. This detention center isn't that.

Deporting people en masse is genocide.

That's not true. This is what genocide means:

genocide: The systematic and widespread extermination or attempted extermination of a national, racial, religious, or ethnic group.

Deportation is the national version of trespassing someone from a property. It's not murder.

The conservative justices are loyal to the Republican party.

They're really not. Their interests do often align, but that's not because they're taking orders from the GOP. If the GOP was actually able to tell them what to do, they'd side w/ Trump way more often.

they voted to kill

That's not what they did.

They largely voted for protectionism (save our jobs/businesses/etc), and now they're feeling the results of that.

Only a small subset of Republicans are actually racist. I'm sure the same is true among Democrats as well.

Absolutely beside myself at your cavalier attitude

Why? Because I refuse to jump on the Republican hate bandwagon? I'm not going to stoop to dangerous rhetoric to try to scare/shame people to my viewpoint.

I strongly disagree with Republicans on policy, but more importantly I see the two party system as the real problem here. Shilling one side over another just perpetuates that system and merely swings the pendulum the other way.

So no, I'm not going to buy into that nonsense. And my state is doing quite well, despite the best efforts of our legislature.