Mastercard deflects blame for NSFW games being taken down, but Valve says payment processors 'specifically cited' a Mastercard rule about damaging the brand
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Nobody on any side has cited any sections of any agreement specifically. The closest we've got is the statement from Stripe who is the payment processor who recently had to turn down business with a womens sexual education charity (despite spending months trying to get to an agreement) and the reason they cited was contractual obligations with banking networks including Visa and Mastercard. They stated they want to be able to process payments for porn companies, and that they're exploring other options, but they couldn't at this time.
Sounds like Visa and Mastercard have clauses in their contracts that they don't even care about themselves, but payment processors like Stripe are bound to then
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Mastercard has not evaluated any game or required restrictions of any activity on game creator sites and platforms, contrary to media reports and allegations.
Our payment network follows standards based on the rule of law. Put simply, we allow all lawful purchases on our network. At the same time, we require merchants to have appropriate controls to ensure Mastercard cards cannot be used for unlawful purchases, including illegal adult content.
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Get ready for Gilead.
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The trick is not actually buying anything.
Just using it for an id verification.
On a site that actually doesn't cost anything.
It could be done, over a 56k modem, guess how I know?
Oh, that wasn't even a thing back in my day. At first there was no age verification, then it became the familiar "Are you 18? [Yes] [No]" system we all know and love.
Well I suppose there was ID checks at the store, but ykwim.
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Payment processing is one of those things that really should have been treated as a public utility from the start. The same way we treat water, electricity, and phone lines. But even getting the internet treated as a utility has been a losing battle thus far.
Only problem with a public utility like that now would be Trump and his Insane Cunt Posey would weaponize it for the religious right.
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Of course, because when everyone buy a game on steam the FIRST thing it comes to their mind is the credit card brand they used. What a load of bullock.
FFS I don't even remember which one of my credit card I have saved on steam.
MasterCard can go fuck themselves. Great job saving your brand
A bullock is a steer. You wanted bollocks.
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Mastercard has not evaluated any game or required restrictions of any activity on game creator sites and platforms, contrary to media reports and allegations.
Our payment network follows standards based on the rule of law. Put simply, we allow all lawful purchases on our network. At the same time, we require merchants to have appropriate controls to ensure Mastercard cards cannot be used for unlawful purchases, including illegal adult content.
Media contact
Seth Eisen
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Of course, because when everyone buy a game on steam the FIRST thing it comes to their mind is the credit card brand they used. What a load of bullock.
FFS I don't even remember which one of my credit card I have saved on steam.
MasterCard can go fuck themselves. Great job saving your brand
Seriously rediculous, most people don't even know if their card is Visa or Mastercard, nor do they care (because they dont know what they are or what they mean).
(This is from my experience with people i know)
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Oh, that wasn't even a thing back in my day. At first there was no age verification, then it became the familiar "Are you 18? [Yes] [No]" system we all know and love.
Well I suppose there was ID checks at the store, but ykwim.
IIRC, I genuinely, accidentally, first discovered internet porn on an elementary school computer, as a 5th grader.
Tried to go to the website for the whitehouse.
Turns out, the real website is whitehouse.gov, not whitehouse.com
At the time... yep, whitehouse.com was hardcore porn, this was way before school network admins... really even existed? muchless had any kind of url/ip blacklists.
So yep very old school, early days, near-miss or adjacent url hoarding... I think that would have been all the way back when expedia, yahoo, askjeeves were all still competetive search engines, and I am pretty sure I was using Netscape Navigator, hahahah!
Anyway, I was quite shocked, rofl, having grown up thus far literally going to church every weekend, being told by my parents that I couldn't participate in the school Halloween festivities, as that was a 'Satanic' holiday.
Hooray fundamentalist upbringing!
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But what was "illegal"? I mean, if we're applying real life laws to video games, that completely removes any game where violence is portrayed, GTA, Sonic the hedgehog, animal cruelty in super Mario. That's why they are GAMES.
dumbasses. All of them.
No more RISK. Too violent. Should probably ban Clue while we’re at it.
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Of course, because when everyone buy a game on steam the FIRST thing it comes to their mind is the credit card brand they used. What a load of bullock.
FFS I don't even remember which one of my credit card I have saved on steam.
MasterCard can go fuck themselves. Great job saving your brand
I don’t have any credit cards saved on steam. I only use PayPal for steam purchases.
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I don’t have any credit cards saved on steam. I only use PayPal for steam purchases.
I'd rather pay with my actual blood than use PayPal.
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I'd rather pay with my actual blood than use PayPal.
Choose your poison.
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IIRC, I genuinely, accidentally, first discovered internet porn on an elementary school computer, as a 5th grader.
Tried to go to the website for the whitehouse.
Turns out, the real website is whitehouse.gov, not whitehouse.com
At the time... yep, whitehouse.com was hardcore porn, this was way before school network admins... really even existed? muchless had any kind of url/ip blacklists.
So yep very old school, early days, near-miss or adjacent url hoarding... I think that would have been all the way back when expedia, yahoo, askjeeves were all still competetive search engines, and I am pretty sure I was using Netscape Navigator, hahahah!
Anyway, I was quite shocked, rofl, having grown up thus far literally going to church every weekend, being told by my parents that I couldn't participate in the school Halloween festivities, as that was a 'Satanic' holiday.
Hooray fundamentalist upbringing!
Classic lmao!
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The issues here are trust, security, adoption and so forth. It's not easy to start a competition here I'd say.
Well at least with phone tap there's like a limit of $200, so maybe some company can corner a niche market where they only cover small daily purchases. No $10,000 credit balances or $2000 purchases and points and whatnot, just like $1000 balance limits and max $200 on purchases through tap.
You wouldn't need quite as much capital that way, and I bet that would eat a good chunk of business from visa and MasterCard.
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I'm so confused; I thought MC and VISA were payment processors. So when I buy a game off Steam, I have two companies handling my money?
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I'm so confused; I thought MC and VISA were payment processors. So when I buy a game off Steam, I have two companies handling my money?
MC and VISA are the networks. They allow communication between banks, and the entire operation is packaged up by payment processors like Stripe, Square or PayPal. So you have processors, the banks on either end (perhaps two separate ones), the network operator, and additionally any extra companies that might offer additional services for the transaction, like for fraud prevention or financing.
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I'd rather pay with my actual blood than use PayPal.
It’s purely because steam hasn’t been able to keep my login info secure for almost a decade. I’ve changed emails, passwords, both, and yet I will always get random 2FA attempts from other places. I just don’t trust them to keep my bank info safe either.
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Of course, because when everyone buy a game on steam the FIRST thing it comes to their mind is the credit card brand they used. What a load of bullock.
FFS I don't even remember which one of my credit card I have saved on steam.
MasterCard can go fuck themselves. Great job saving your brand
I use Paypal and they charge my Discover (Novus network, IIRC). No MC policy issue, let me buy what I want.
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Mastercard has not evaluated any game or required restrictions of any activity on game creator sites and platforms, contrary to media reports and allegations.
Our payment network follows standards based on the rule of law. Put simply, we allow all lawful purchases on our network. At the same time, we require merchants to have appropriate controls to ensure Mastercard cards cannot be used for unlawful purchases, including illegal adult content.
Media contact
Seth Eisen
So let's say you're in the market for a credit card. You can choose from:
iChar-Jit: We are ethical. We don't sell to Nazis. You (and your kids) will be safe from buying questionable products or from questionable sources.
MoneySLAM Our card is usable by anyone, for anything, anywhere. Bangladesh; In orbit around Jupiter; Russia; Sex; Drugs; Bombs.¹
1. Some products may be dangerous or unethically sourced; Please spend safely and exercise good judgement.
Assuming all other factors (interest rate, online accessibility, confused foreign sales reps etc.) are more or less equal, which card will you get?
ETA Interactive services absolutely should be more focused on equal accommodations (making sure everyone is served evenly, even if they want a gay wedding cake) than on whether or not the transactions involve questionable crap.
Though if the money exchange market is capitulating to activists, it'd be interesting to see if environmentalist causes could pressure them as well. Because fossil-fuel based products are killing the human species (and most of all the others). Stop allowing transactions for diamonds and chocolate.
If they're more hesitant about other kinds of unethical transaction then it's because the company officials think furry porn and queer content is icky, not from activist pressure.
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It’s purely because steam hasn’t been able to keep my login info secure for almost a decade. I’ve changed emails, passwords, both, and yet I will always get random 2FA attempts from other places. I just don’t trust them to keep my bank info safe either.
I'm looking at this and I am just wondering... Did you also check the computers your using?
It's quite a bit easier to get in the pc of a normal user than it is to get into the computers of valve, or at least that's to hope.
