Yet Chinese cars that meet US standards are quite a bit more than that. Where such vehicles are sold in developed markets, they are more like €30-40k

• https://citymagazine.si/en/chinese-cars-in-europe-why-do-we-pay-almost-double-the-price-of-82-for-the-same-vehicle/

By “legacy manufacturers” I mean those who are stuck on internal combustion engines, and focusing on large trucks and luxury trims.

Average new car price in the US has greatly outpaced inflation and is currently almost $50k, closing in on a full year gross average income. Most people can’t afford that. For that rice you get old technology engine, old technology transmission, same features we’ve had for years.

Yet a replacement for my Subaru is much cheaper, only a little over what I paid nine years ago. It has safety features, electronics, and transmission more innovative than us made cars costing twice as much. Many more people can afford this vehicle, and it’s similar in price to what Chinese cars are selling for in Europe.

We don’t need to compete with $4k cars. We need to compete with cars affordable on average salaries, with new features and unique capabilities.

While the transition to electric vehicles has been politicized, it’s coming and it’s inexorable. “Legacy manufacturers” are those avoiding that change

Yeah it turns out having infrastru'ture wnd a society is, like, efficient and stuff.

The issue is not so simple. Blocking BYD has a lot to do with protecting American manufacturing jobs. That's not to say Biden's tariff was the right answer. But it is a more complicated problem to solve than it appears from the perspective of a single car buyer.

American made car? Ya, I own a Toyota Sienna. And ya, I don't think I'd buy an American brand again.

Eh, we'll see how that turns out. If they can release here at the price point they wanted ($25k-ish), I'd probably get one.

Buying what you prefer itself isn't an issue, but that should be the reason instead of "I need it because X, Y, Z." Most truck/SUV owners don't need a truck/SUV, they just want one.

My issue with trucks and SUVs are that they make the road more dangerous, since there's only so much a car manufacturer can do to protect against a vehicle more than twice as massive. That, and they're artificially cheap here in the US because of stupid regulations intended for farmers that got applied to them to reduce emissions standards.

How do you like it? It's on my short list for my next car.

If budget is the top of your list, EVs currently have high depreciation. You can easily find 2-year old EVs with low mileage for 50% off MSRP.

You're talking to a troll btw

wow what an argument.
I bet you never went there, it shows

piss off loser, you've been dealth with and should hide under a rock in shame where you belong.
You're literally an insect.
Your comment history proves it.
lay down and die already vermin.
Do i need to bloxk your annoying peasant ass or will you get in the gutter where you belong?

Capitalism is all about competition unless it's not.

Apologies if English isn't your first language it's called reading between the lines.

Ill draw it out for you: If people would pay that much (yes insane) money to go to "shit" and mediocre institutions here in the states, what does it say about the options they have locally?

I'm not sure how repairable EVs are either, since my 2013 Leaf never needed repairs in 12 years. Just tires and wiper blades.

To clarify, the bailouts of US car companies were Chrysler around 1980 and GM and Chrysler around 2008. To help them avoid bankruptcy and the resulting loss of jobs, they received loan guarantees (like having a cosigner) and direct loans, all of which they paid back. I think the public generally has a misconception that a corporate "bailout" means they just giving them money, but it doesn't.

Note - I'm not trying to convince you not to hate corporations, and there's no need for a lecture on how evil they are, I know they are. Just clarifying that one topic.

Glad you learned something!

The program started under W and ended under Obama and I think at the end the government actually made money off the deal.

Don't confuse this with the COVID PPP loans that were given out by Trump, forgiven by Trump, and then had a lot of the records about them destroyed by Trump.

Would be great if the competition was not about stealing others' technologies

Sienna's are great! I've owned 4 of them (because I tend to total cars), and been happy with all of them. Gets decent mileage for a van, and they hold value better than just about any other mini van. Never felt safer when ramming into the back of a semi while going 70mph! The van was totaled, but me and the kids were perfectly fine.

Yeah, I'm certainly looking around, but they also tend to have spyware. I just want a simple car that goes and stops when I say, and is really easy to repair if something goes wrong. EVs should be perfect for this, but for some reason manufacturers get away with tons of nonsense on them.