At the end of the day, none of that’s legitimate, it’s just an excuse to buy the car you prefer.

Since when is buying what we prefer considered negative? Calling it an excuse seems short-sighted.

There is a limit to that effect, though. And most observers agree that the state is subsidizing heavily.

By "legacy manufacturers" you mean every major auto manufacturer in the world that isn't based in China?Nobody else is selling new cars for as little as $4k because other countries aren't using slave labor in mines and factory floors. It's impossible to compete against that unless you engage in it yourself.

So even Canada has lower labor costs because of universal healthcare.

Decoupling the market was them admitting their stuff is not as popular to the global market

But the Chinese government could be spying on you if you bought a Chinese manufactured car!!

P.S. for bonus points, does anyone know where most GM automobiles are currently being manufactured?

The Chinese too know how to make unnecessary large cars, unfortunately.

I didn't say it's the same system, there are several different ways and degrees in which modern slavery exists. Trapping and exploiting migrant/seasonal workers is another popular one. Modern slavery exists from the US to Brazil, China/central Asia, Russia, Türkiye, even in parts of western Europe you'll find it in smaller or less obvious amounts.

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Yup and paying insane amounts of money to get in, too.

But it would also help american people. Which is more important, I wonder.

Sadly, ever since “too big to fail”, any large corporation is now nearly indistinguishable from the federal government. Just another example of socialism for the rich, capitalism for the rest of us.

State sponsored capitalism is what everyone does. The only reason Tesla even exists is because of US government support

Stop giving them more reasons not to allow it

Tariffs be damned, I will not buy an American brand car. They've been mediocre my whole life and it's always been easier to source parts for Hondas and Toyotas. I'm not sure how repairable any EV is, but I doubt American brands will top the charts of value in repairability in my lifetime

Yet Chinese cars that meet US standards are quite a bit more than that. Where such vehicles are sold in developed markets, they are more like €30-40k

• https://citymagazine.si/en/chinese-cars-in-europe-why-do-we-pay-almost-double-the-price-of-82-for-the-same-vehicle/

By “legacy manufacturers” I mean those who are stuck on internal combustion engines, and focusing on large trucks and luxury trims.

Average new car price in the US has greatly outpaced inflation and is currently almost $50k, closing in on a full year gross average income. Most people can’t afford that. For that rice you get old technology engine, old technology transmission, same features we’ve had for years.

Yet a replacement for my Subaru is much cheaper, only a little over what I paid nine years ago. It has safety features, electronics, and transmission more innovative than us made cars costing twice as much. Many more people can afford this vehicle, and it’s similar in price to what Chinese cars are selling for in Europe.

We don’t need to compete with $4k cars. We need to compete with cars affordable on average salaries, with new features and unique capabilities.

While the transition to electric vehicles has been politicized, it’s coming and it’s inexorable. “Legacy manufacturers” are those avoiding that change

Yeah it turns out having infrastru'ture wnd a society is, like, efficient and stuff.

The issue is not so simple. Blocking BYD has a lot to do with protecting American manufacturing jobs. That's not to say Biden's tariff was the right answer. But it is a more complicated problem to solve than it appears from the perspective of a single car buyer.

American made car? Ya, I own a Toyota Sienna. And ya, I don't think I'd buy an American brand again.

Eh, we'll see how that turns out. If they can release here at the price point they wanted ($25k-ish), I'd probably get one.

Buying what you prefer itself isn't an issue, but that should be the reason instead of "I need it because X, Y, Z." Most truck/SUV owners don't need a truck/SUV, they just want one.

My issue with trucks and SUVs are that they make the road more dangerous, since there's only so much a car manufacturer can do to protect against a vehicle more than twice as massive. That, and they're artificially cheap here in the US because of stupid regulations intended for farmers that got applied to them to reduce emissions standards.