OpenAI just launched its new ChatGPT Agent that can make as many as 1 complicated cupcake order per hour, but even Sam Altman says you probably shouldn't trust it for 'high-stakes uses'
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So much for the internet. We somehow managed to turn one of humanity’s greatest achievements into a hateful echo chamber we use for warfare first and then into a blackbox where inefficient AI agents communicate with each other in the most inefficient way so the planet can cook us alive even faster. God forbid just calling up a bakery to order some cupcakes.
Companies will dump billions into AI to fuck everyone over but the transition to clean energy is always too expensive.
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Kagi is all in on AI. Its the AI slop version of a search ranking algorithm
Kagi has AI tools but they don't shove it down your throat. I don't understand what "all in on AI" means in this context. The company has said that they want to use AI like they use JavaScript, ie they want to use it as a tool but their product should work well without it.
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for coding you want to use claude
if you don’t want to pay for claude after so many messages what you can do is use mistral to code it up then use claude to proof check the code
tx, will try it some time.
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OpenAI launched ChatGPT Agent on Thursday, its latest effort in the industry-wide pursuit to turn AI into a profitable enterprise—not just one that eats investors' billions. In its announcement blog, OpenAI says its Agent "can now do work for you using its own computer," but CEO Sam Altman warns that the rollout presents unpredictable risks.
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OpenAI research lead Lisa Fulford told Wired that she used Agent to order "a lot of cupcakes," which took the tool about an hour, because she was very specific about the cupcakes.
So now they're raiding We Bare Bears for ideas?
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No you can't if you don't know the libraries
IDE.
Python is entirely dependent on what libraries you include
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If you don't know what you need you can't do shit.
IDE.
The problems you propose in your comment are not only greatly exaggerated but already been solved for decades using conventional tools AND apply to literally all languages, having nothing at all to do with python. Good try! My statement holds true.
Maybe your assumption is that you're in a cave writing code in pencil on paper, but that's not a typical working condition. If you have access to Claude to use as a crutch, then you have access to search for an available python library and read some "Getting Started" paragraphs.
Seriously, if the only real value that AI provides is "you don't need to know the libraries you're using"
that's not quite as strong of an argument as you think it is lmaooo "knowing the libraries" isn't exactly an existing challenge or software engineering problem that people struggle with...It sounds like you are a much better developer than me, but to be fair I've had to teach myself everything using nothing but books and Google for thirty years. I've rarely had the luxury of working with someone who had the knowledge to mentor me, and never got a degree outside an AAS in electronics, so I've probably missed some critical skills along the way.
In a lot of ways, the AI fills that role because it's better at answering questions than it is writing code. Earlier today it was explaining to me how a DOM selector could return a stale element in some cases in a failing end to end test. It took a few back and forths with some code examples before I really understood why the selectors might not be working.
It also suggested some code changes that I had to push back on because, even though the code had errors, the errors weren't causing the problem. While building an array of validators I had awaited them, causing them to run serially instead of in parallel during Promise.all(). So you definitely have to know what you're doing to avoid having the AI waste your time (or at least more time than it takes to push back).
I'm still trying to debug it, but without the AI, I'd be googling the fuck out of typescript syntax, JavaScript idiosyncrasies, and a whole testing framework I've never seen before.
So...
if the only real value that AI provides is "you don't need to know the libraries you're using"
...returns false.
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Did the AI gave you a starting point that would be very different from a bit of code someone submitted 10 years ago on stack exchange? Because in my experience, everything has already been asked and answered. This includes the most basic and naive stuff, and often I am very grateful for it, because, yeah, sometimes I need someone to guide me through the most basic stuff.
In fact, the AI needed that exact knowledge base and a bunch more to exist in the first place. It's just vaguely competent at retrieving it.
Anyway, I didn't say I had no experience, just the most minimal python experience. There are definitely a few quirks I had to learn (the data structures mostly), but for the rest is mostly finding the right method in the reference library, like you would in java.
Logically, you would be right. My practical experience is I waste a lot less time trying to google multiple explanations something because one by itself isn't helping me figure it out, writing bugged PoC test code and thinking something is broken, sorting through a bunch of things that haven't been relevant for 3 versions, etc.
Of course the AI is trained on the same material we can an all find and read, but it does it orders of magnitude more quickly. The trade off is that it's not always right, but neither am I and neither are most sources on the internet right in all circumstances. But it's so fast and easy that I can iterate and evolve designs and understanding much more quickly than I could on my own.
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So now they're raiding We Bare Bears for ideas?
Explain.
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Explain.
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That's quite a bold statement to make since he now has US military contracts. What is he making cupcakes for the Pentagon?
Grok has tje Pentagon contract. Does OpenAI also have one?
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Grok has tje Pentagon contract. Does OpenAI also have one?
Microsoft's AI, which is OpenAI, is approved for Defense Contracts. https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/16/openai-wins-200-million-us-defense-contract.html It even has an ominous project name which was posted to a public site which I cannot seem to recall at the moment.
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No you can't if you don't know the libraries
IDE.
Python is entirely dependent on what libraries you include
??
If you don't know what you need you can't do shit.
IDE.
The problems you propose in your comment are not only greatly exaggerated but already been solved for decades using conventional tools AND apply to literally all languages, having nothing at all to do with python. Good try! My statement holds true.
Maybe your assumption is that you're in a cave writing code in pencil on paper, but that's not a typical working condition. If you have access to Claude to use as a crutch, then you have access to search for an available python library and read some "Getting Started" paragraphs.
Seriously, if the only real value that AI provides is "you don't need to know the libraries you're using"
that's not quite as strong of an argument as you think it is lmaooo "knowing the libraries" isn't exactly an existing challenge or software engineering problem that people struggle with...In a cave with pen and paper is nearly what I learned with. I learned with the run time, msdn, notepad and the cmd line. And yes you do end up in many situations where you simply don't have or can't use a full on ide everytime. Sounds like you've never really left your comfort zones and stuck your neck out in some tech you don't understand quite yet. Or worked in areas under strict software controls.
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In a cave with pen and paper is nearly what I learned with. I learned with the run time, msdn, notepad and the cmd line. And yes you do end up in many situations where you simply don't have or can't use a full on ide everytime. Sounds like you've never really left your comfort zones and stuck your neck out in some tech you don't understand quite yet. Or worked in areas under strict software controls.
It's telling that you're focused on personal assumptions instead of addressing the argument
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CEO Sam Altman warns that the rollout presents unpredictable risks.
But that doesn't prevent his profit motive from consuming untold amounts of electricity to shove this into your face. They know what they're doing. They know their product is used primarily to generate spam, and secondarily is designed to form addictive faux-relationships with their users.
Burn in hell. Actually, given the direction this is all going, we will all be burning in hell within generations.
And produced with a shit ton of copyright violations, etc. Just about everything is immoral about it.
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OpenAI launched ChatGPT Agent on Thursday, its latest effort in the industry-wide pursuit to turn AI into a profitable enterprise—not just one that eats investors' billions. In its announcement blog, OpenAI says its Agent "can now do work for you using its own computer," but CEO Sam Altman warns that the rollout presents unpredictable risks.
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OpenAI research lead Lisa Fulford told Wired that she used Agent to order "a lot of cupcakes," which took the tool about an hour, because she was very specific about the cupcakes.
What’s more high stakes than a complicated cupcake order?
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What’s more high stakes than a complicated cupcake order?
An order for a weed smoking cow.
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I use agents a lot and have written several MCP servers now, the tasks I automate aren't things like order cupcakes, it's mainly the glue between complex things.
I still can't get Claude to nicely open a JIRA ticket for me, but I can get it to read through a sequence of connected documents and filter that into.
I don't think agents are ready for the main event and these are some poor examples of their power.
I'm not saying they won't improve, but using the right tool for the right job is critical. An hour to order cupcakes is silly even for an llm.
yes in the wired article one of them says they would like to find out where it got stuck taking an hour with an agent replay feature
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Companies will dump billions into AI to fuck everyone over but the transition to clean energy is always too expensive.
its easier to rule world that is in ruins than thriving one. They know they have to live on same planet as us yet still they dont seem to care if its going to shit. While so many rich people are dumb as bricks and dont deserve their wealth at all, there are also many who actually know what they are doing yet still they dont want to seriously work towards stopping the climate change, even though it wouldnt even reduce their wealth by that much in comparison.
So only reasoning i can think of they want to have more complete control over everything, but they cant have it because world is too complicated and healthy. When civilizations start to fall, the rich will still have everything and with that they can start enforcing themselves on everyone.
I dont have anything to base this on, its just my thought on the matter. It just feels like something billionaire would do, they demonstrate every day that they will not be content with anything and will not care about other people's suffering to get it.
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I think in some ways Generative AI is very emblematic of the current state of software development. Projects are approached from the outset with the driving question being, "how can we make money materialize out of thin air?" Not, "What kind of problems are we trying to solve?" Or, "Why would someone pay for this?"
The last several projects I've worked on have been solutions in search of a problem. Hyped up products that made executives see dollar signs but didn't actually produce any because they failed to provide any tangible value.
Comment resonates with my experience.
Software project at work recently:
We are going to launch a new offering to improve experience for customers.
Ok, how?
We are going to switch it to cloud model and charge annually instead of perpetual.
Ok, that's for us, what about customer?
We are going to analyze their accounts and present them with suggestions on other of our products and addons they haven't bought yet.
Where is the customer improvement?
We are going to discontinue supporting third party products and focus exclusively on customers that buy only from us.
Ok, but we have support for third party products we don't even compete with?
We are going to exclude those too, to focus on the market that is important.
Ok, but at least you're going to provide equivalent capability as the product you are replacing?
We are going to streamline the experience by offering only the core capabilities and discontinue extraneous features.
Ok, but you think this will expand revenue, so you will afford to explain the service and support team and free up more time for developers to get requirements?
We are in fact going to lay off and offshore all of it, including most of the customer contacts that barely kept the preceding product alive....
Now after a while of this mess they also had like 96% availability with almost all of it unplanned outages, but that's not too bad because they have only like 6 or 7 customers anyways. There's emails running around asking why the product has failed, and the answer seems to be we need to kill more of our successful products to try to push customers into this mess.
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What’s more high stakes than a complicated cupcake order?
Hot cupcake making action like you've never seen it before!
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It's telling that you're focused on personal assumptions instead of addressing the argument
What was the argument. Use an IDE which was the proposed answer for most of my objections. Which i did address.
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