Salt Lake City, plans to implement AI-assisted 911 call triaging to handle ~30% of about 450K non-emergency calls per year
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Promoting that the nunber exists as a actual thing people should use is good, yeah.
The actual number isn't so important, though. If ever needed to call the non-emergency number I'd search it up, which fortunately I can do given I've got loads of time because it's not an emergency.
I would bet there are large swaths of people that don't know there is a nonemergency number to look up.
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If there's an insistence on AI for any reason, which almost always comes down to $$$, then have people transfer non emergency to the AI. First contact should be to a person 100% of the time.
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Just because you supposedly read the article, doesn’t dismiss our concerns.
No, but I think a minimal threshold for giving those concerns consideration should be some indication that the people with those concerns have read the article.
Glitchvid, for example, has actually gone to the trouble to search job listings on their site. That is a sign of concern worth considering. First one I've seen in this thread.
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the AI system would interact only with nonemergency callers and that emergency calls to 911 would be routed only to human dispatchers
Who makes this determination?
Again, did you read the article?
Or even the comment I wrote that you are responding to right now? I said the answer to this in the comment you're responding to.
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Have many emergencies that aren't transferred does there have to be before it's unacceptable? I'd say if one person calls with an emergency, gets AI, and doesn't get transferred, then the entire system is failed and someone should go to jail.
What is wrong with the current setup? I bet a person can direct non emergency traffic faster than any AI, because they can actually comprehend a person and think. It's not broken, someone is just about to make a fuck load of money at the expense of people not getting through to emergency services.
I'd say if one person calls with an emergency, gets AI, and doesn't get transferred, then the entire system is failed and someone should go to jail.
Alright, let's go with that standard for purposes of argument.
If one person calls the emergency line with an emergency and doesn't get through because the human dispatchers are currently overwhelmed with non-emergency calls, does that mean the entire current system is failed and someone should go to jail?
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It's not an emergency if it can wait 15 minutes. So the line just doesn't work for its intended purpose. That's extraordinary failure.
Just wait until you realize that extraordinary failure oozes into everything
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Again, did you read the article?
Or even the comment I wrote that you are responding to right now? I said the answer to this in the comment you're responding to.
Both, and no, your
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Both, and no, your
quotecomment and the article conflict.What does the article say, then? You know the answer, go ahead and correct me.
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No, but I think a minimal threshold for giving those concerns consideration should be some indication that the people with those concerns have read the article.
Glitchvid, for example, has actually gone to the trouble to search job listings on their site. That is a sign of concern worth considering. First one I've seen in this thread.
You have no proof that I had or hadn’t. So, it is my word against yours.
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What does the article say, then? You know the answer, go ahead and correct me.
Right there in your quote it says the AI would only interact with nonemergency calls. You said the system would reroute nonemergency calls.
So when a call comes in to 911, who picks up? A person or an AI?
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What happens if you put "police your_city" in your favorite search engine? I tried it with my current city and the village where I grew up, and both led me to the phone number in reasonable time.
That does work (actually 'non emergency city state'). But as another comment mentions, the public knowing it exists is more important than the number itself.
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My local PD has a non emergency number, but it is almost always answered by 911.
I used to have to call the non emergency number a few times a month for a previous job.
The calls were always answered by 911 operators, but they would place you on hold if a 911 call came through. No big deal
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"To better assist you please describe the nature of your emergency...... Let's try this again. To better assist..."
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I have a hard time putting faith in their promise that it won't affect anyone poorly. They're just handwaving criticism away with statements that make this AI seem like magic with zero explanation of actual details.
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In an ideal world, if it's someone who immediately mentions that it's third time they've called this week about a neighbor having a dead tree in their garden, or someone's mad because someone else parked in "their" spot, someone's calling the fire department on someone having a bbq or someone's stubbed their toe, that sort of thing can get put way down the "call back later" list
Everything else gets put through to a person. In LA it's not unusual to wait 15+ minutes after you call 911; most cities are going to be shorter, and if the wait is under a minute, you don't need the AI triage. If you do have a wait and block out 25% of calls which are obviously a waste of time with AI, you can significantly reduce that (ideally in addition to hiring more operators, but let's be realistic...)
one of the most important factors with emergency services is that there is as little delay as possible. and that starts at the phone call. if everyone is delayed by this screening, and then they'll maybe get through to a person, it'll be much less likely that the person calling will be able to even just get assistance in time
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I'd say if one person calls with an emergency, gets AI, and doesn't get transferred, then the entire system is failed and someone should go to jail.
Alright, let's go with that standard for purposes of argument.
If one person calls the emergency line with an emergency and doesn't get through because the human dispatchers are currently overwhelmed with non-emergency calls, does that mean the entire current system is failed and someone should go to jail?
If one person calls the emergency line with an emergency and doesn't get through because the human dispatchers are currently overwhelmed with non-emergency calls, does that mean the entire current system is failed and someone should go to jail?
I don't think so, because currently there is no artificial delay. if someone has to be got rid of, that is the person(s) who are keeping the call center short staffed, whoever that is and whatever high up the chain they are
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Saly lake city Residents, shouldn't be paying taxes then.
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I would say there's a failure in the body responsible for hiring and paying people to answer emergency calls. The only reason there is a shortage is because they are under paying employees. So yes, but AI, like everywhere else it's been implemented, will fall short of what's needed and will ultimately cost more financially, with the exception that in this case, lives could also be lost.
There's without a doubt a problem, but AI isn't the solution.
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People will inevitably die as a result of this change. Call your representatives
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it might detect those elevated stress levels [for callers] and it will automatically default going to a human being
Damn. I get ice cold emotionless during an emergency, going straight to the point of reciting location and event when calling 911. Now I will have to also remember in the back of my mind to throw in a wavering voice and a couple of shrieks maybe to have my call routed properly. What a future.
