Sure. Real men don't cry. Real men aren't weak. Real men toughen up and don't complain. Real men don't care about injustice if it's them who are affected. That's you.

Lol, falsely conflating me telling you not to blame POC and women for late stage capitalism with telling you not to cry is pretty hilarious.

What injustice are you facing that generations of women and immigrants haven't been receiving the whole time?

I'm not telling you not to communicate or build support networks, I'm saying don't blame minorities for the lack of those support networks.

I understand your thoughts experiment, and I assure you that I am not assuming that this thought comes from a place of malice. The second thing is that I would be using an LLM model to fix my grammar, so it might sound like an LLM response, and my word choice might not be as precise as native ones.

I want you to understand that my comment wasn't in contrast to women but to society. Helping women isn't coming from goodwill or a soft spot but as a means to an end. What end? Exercising soft power for powerful people¹, brownie points for PR², and more consumers for capitalism.³

1. Saving women and children is still shown as a positive attribute, not as some general attribute. The thing is, people doing this are well aware of that. Recently, when Trump blocked the USAIDs and some other beneficiaries that helped victim groups, a lot of people who championed feminism and the welfare of the weak straight up on camera started babbling about how the USA will lose its soft power in other countries. You can call me naive, but it baffled me. You don't have to pretend that there is no soft power, but at least keep people's welfare as the central piece of your argument or concerns.

2. Brownie points: Saving women or appearing to work for helping women is used for PR by political figures, corporations, and people who want to be at the center of attention. Though recently, this one isn't going very well because, due to the internet and the large availability of information, it is very easy to check for credibility. However, there is still enough bias that can be exploited.

3. How can I explain this one? Think about it: you don't want half of your customers locked away and banished when you can sell them consumerism as rebellion (the search for cigarettes as feminism).

If you paid attention, all these three situations are beneficial only as long as women are presented as victims or oppressed. Since there is no David without Goliath, we get men as the oppressor or ultimate evil.

Capitalism can appease men to promote consumerism wrapped in misogyny. Corporations can capitalize on women's loneliness and low self-worth.

Patriarchy can use women to portray the ultimate evil.

No, these both can't be promoted to the same extreme, as it will lead to people resorting to gender roles while expecting others not to, creating extremely competitive conditions for men, as the patriarchy will push the gender role of men asking out, taking financial responsibility, etc. If we assume misogyny is high too, they will soon check out of the dating scene, leading to a fall in the birth rate, which isn't too great for capitalism. We have a whole country as an example of why capitalism's incentives don't lie with promoting misogyny; can you guess that country? :::Yes, it is South Korea.:::

For capitalism to thrive, it needs just enough modulated patriarchy and misogyny where men remain competitive with each other, and even those who give up remain consumers in the form of some consumerism addiction. If misogyny and patriarchy are promoted enough and spiral out of control, people will check out of society.

I have noticed that women with low self-worth find meaning in work, which ultimately profits corporations. The money they earn will be spent on consumerism/addictions, which again can be profited by capitalism and corporations.

I can't comment on this, as it was anecdotal from my side, and this can be anecdotal from your side.

The rich can have as many resources as they want, so why solve it? Other than individuals (women) taking matters into their own hands and rescuing each other, I don't think there is enough incentive to help women as a community or as a whole.

You are completely wrong on this one. The divide is very important. If they (the rich and powerful) let go of this illusion of helping women or the underprivileged or making it all appear as meritocracy, it will turn into rich vs. poor, and this has never worked in favor of the rich. To maintain this illusion or facade that they are not the perpetrators of the current worsening of society, they need bogeymen, which, of course, we know who they are, and make them appear as saviors they need victim too, and we are back to square one.

You know what is ironic? This portrayal of bogeymen and its consequences isn't backfiring on the rich and powerful but is becoming a tool to exchange power between different factions of the same wealthy individuals.

Yeah.... I didn't think the culture was as ubiquitous. Kinda scary to see on a platform with so many self professed "leftist". You can't seriously think you are on the left when you only care about providing for your specific demographic.

The kids are not alright apparently.

Get told you’re evil, and the cause of societies problems enough times, you start to believe it.

My ex wife did it to me, always assumed the worst. So I became the worst. It wasn’t even a conscious decision. I just checked out.

Simplistic take, but I see it every day.

There is no struggle but class struggle. They're just pissed they missed the bus on being invited to the ownership class and now they're stuck down here with everyone else.

The same can be said about you too, you know you are not getting shit done against the ownership class so resorting to insulting and demeaning anyone who appears privileged to you.

You want to really fight a class war? How about starting by not out of frustration humiliating anyone who has different symptoms of the same problem as you.

This fucking thread is crazy... especially these dudes trying to wrap their misogyny in faux leftist babbling.

Sure men talking about their problems is misogyny, you can't gate keep the left, and anybody who is reading this, some people at left accept you and adversiory despite of your gender . your are not abonded. Seek out help. There are still people who will help you.

IMO the limited subset arguing here support authoritarianism. Generally a male dominated profession. Seems to be a burgeoning market these days.

Lol, falsely conflating me telling you not to blame POC and women for late stage capitalism with telling you not to cry is pretty hilarious.

I did what?

What injustice are you facing that generations of women and immigrants haven’t been receiving the whole time?

I've been using this thread as an opportunity to talk about a positive example, and that's the marked increase in male childcare workers in Germany. I pointed out some masculine influencers doing good work. I bemoaned that much "X for women/girls" stuff is half-assed feel-good BS, prone to causing more harm than good (because half-assed, because it's done for optics instead of the thing itself).

I've been constructive. I didn't lash out and try to put people down for caring about their issues. I didn't wrap people up in ass-long back and forth threads demanding justification after justification why they care just to find an excuse to pounce, then ride my high horse into the sunset.

Oh, and I also shot the horse of some guy.

Mate, what many of those so-called gururs of "manosphere" do is called capitalising on misery of others, not solving. Which I have already covered in my comment above.

Bill Maher is Joe Rogan for people who think they're too smart for Joe Rogan. He never has an important point to make about anything and is usually completely misinformed. This is a rich white Jewish guy that rarely sees any value in issues raised by any other demographic, yet always complains any time there is even a mild issue facing rich/white/Jewish guys.

Women make up more than 50% of the population, but make up 30% of the leads in Hollywood roles, up from the previous 15% - conspiracy of the woke!
Or, maybe.. The marketing teams figured out that women would rather watch a movie with a female lead more often. Or maybe.. its a load of horseshit.

Not Quite Year of the Woman: Just 30 Percent of 2023’s Movies Had Female Leads

Just 30 percent of Hollywood movies in 2023 featured women leads or co-leads, according to the latest study from Annenberg Inclusion Initiative.

The Hollywood Reporter (www.hollywoodreporter.com)

Can't believe I'm reading defence of the manosphere on Lemmy, but here we are.

Oh I'm sorry I mistook you for someone who was blaming minorities for their woes.... You're just a guy defending him.

been constructive. I didn't lash out and try to put people down for caring about their issues. I didn't wrap people up in ass-long back and forth threads demanding justification after justification why they care just to find an excuse to pounce, then ride my high horse into the sunset

If that's your take on this thread then you're just as complicit as the rest of these incels.

You don't believe in equality, PERIOD. Because people like you oppose women being drafted. You also deny systemic misandry like the alimony laws & even support policies like abolishing prisons for women & reduced sentencing for women & only women.

There are multiple documented evidences of feminists shaming men into getting drafted while they get to be safe & secure & one of their excuses was "We have a crisis in masculinity" & Finland has a women-majority govt, of course the diversity part is a lie.

EU is led by feminists & BTW, pandering to women is also feminism, there are literally reserved seats for women & a male-only draft. These are all Equity to you huh

I like how you're putting in so much effort into pushing the narrative that it's men who do it, when the biggest warmongers just so happen to be women & there's not a single word of opposition to the draft by feminists.

Like the White-feather movement being nationalistic, yet it was still women who shamed men into fighting the war (women didn't want to go to war & even today women as a whole are opposed to conscription for women)

Reminder women in the military are placed in either guard duty or administration.

a male dominated profession

True, but does that make Giorgia Meloni a fascist DEI hire?

Yeah, they seem to be more on the side of "national socialism" than actual socialism. Socialism.....but only for a certain demographic that happens to encompass me and people who look and act like me.

Well If it helps I think you made really good points, and in a much more civil manner than what that guy deserved....and he still tried to frame you as having a "hostile tone". Misogynistic never fucking change.

Keep up the good fight

Dadvocate would be a good source for this stuff especially if you don't fancy your watch history to get infested by misogynists. Just a gal who doesn't pull guard.

The same can be said about you too, you know you are not getting shit done against the ownership class so resorting to insulting and demeaning anyone who appears privileged to you.

Lol, I'm the same because I'm upset that people aren't engaging in class consciousness?

You want to really fight a class war? How about starting by not out of frustration humiliating anyone who has different symptoms of the same problem as you.

I'm making fun of people who claim to be leftist, but only care about their own demographics. You can't be a leftist and abandon the very basic idea of class consciousness.

Sure men talking about their problems is misogyny,

It is when you talk to them about their problems and all they do is bitch and moan about dei.

you can't gate keep the left, and anybody who is reading this, some people at left accept you and adversiory despite of your gender

Again .... This isn't about their gender. I'm a dude. Its about how they've abandoned class consciousness and are demeaning the struggles of their fellow working class by claiming they somehow have it worse than everyone else. And when you ask them why...... You just end up getting thinly veiled misogyny.

Bring back punctuation altogether at this stage!

If that’s your take on this thread then you’re just as complicit as the rest of these incels.

It's my take on my own contributions. Note that those didn't include "defending some guy", it really was an exhaustive list. How you managed to get that wrong in a post in which you apologised about getting something wrong is something you'll have to ask your dead horse, I suppose.

Because people are lonely and the internet is telling men it's the women’s fault.

Don't watch those, though the few I've watched didn't really have that. But it wouldn't surprise me.

But I think with kid shows it's much more dangerous, they soak up the patterns and internalise them.

You don't believe in equality, PERIOD. Because people like you oppose women being drafted.

Wrong fuck face, I don't believe in the draft for men or women.

You also deny systemic misandry like the alimony laws & even support policies like abolishing prisons for women & reduced sentencing for women & only women.

The majority of law makers are men, the majority of judges are men, the majority of law enforcement officers are men... How is men making rules that you perceive to negatively affect men = misandry?

There are multiple documented evidences of feminists shaming men into getting drafted while they get to be safe & secure & one of their excuses was "We have a crisis in masculinity"

Lol, you really think the white feathers was a feminist movement?

Finland has a women-majority govt](https://www.forbes.com/sites/carmenniethammer/2019/12/12/finlands-new-government-is-young-and-led-by-women-heres-what-the-country-does-to-promote-diversity/), of course the diversity part is a lie.

"Moreover, almost half (47%) of the country’s" having a woman as the leader doesn't mean they have the majority. You're either lying or you can't fucking read.

I like that you posted an article praising the quality of living and equity in a country and think it helps your argument.

EU is led by feminists & BTW, pandering to women is also feminism, there are literally reserved seats for women & a male-only draft. These are all Equity to you huh

Lol, I don't think you know what equity, feminism, or majority means.

like how you're putting in so much effort into pushing the narrative that it's men who do it, when the biggest warmongers just so happen to be women & there's not a single word of opposition to the draft by feminists.

Lol, name a time in modern history where a woman was the leader of a nation who started a war......

Like the White-feather movement being nationalistic, yet it was still women who shamed men into fighting the war (women didn't want to go to war & even today women as a whole are opposed to conscription for women)

And you think I like the white feathers? Being a feminist doesn't mean you support every decision of every woman...... That's just insane. That would be like me blaming every man, for WW2 because Hitler was a dude.

Reminder women in the military are placed in either guard duty or administration.

Lol, that's not even true..... Women have been allowed to be in combat roles since 2013.

And guess what, it's not the women who say they shouldn't be

Or maybe it feels like oppression because it is. Nobody in this thread has their mind open to the possibility that structural changes disadvantaging (young, predominantly white) men can happen even when other groups are continuing to be held back.