Let's say I bought you a car, I paid for it in full and then gave it to you, and in return you sometimes drive me around.

Let's say I get tired of this arrangement, should I repossess the car just to drive it into the ocean? What would be the point of that? Sure, it's rightfully mine, but what good does it do to destroy it?

"IT BELONGS TO US" is not a very compelling argument for arbitrary distribution.

I hear you, why can't we be in that timeline?

Do that, so that when the US Gov. falls SpaceX and Starlink does too.

This really is just the dumbest thread on Lemmy right now. A bunch of reactionary mob think. "Grab your torches and pitchforks, let's burn it all down!"

Absolutely agree with this but there is no denying the innovation levels at spacex are higher

Undeniably, they've been doing amazing work (at least from my rocketry technology peasant point of view).

Airport security was nationalized as the TSA. Aside from that no.

I honestly don't care about Elon, just get Trump out.

Technically the auto industry in 2008.

Trump has been impeached successfully. Twice. What I assume you mean is that he hasn't been removed from office. That could be the consequence of an impeachment, but not necessarily.

Yeah, let's leave all that power in the hands of one narcissistic egomaniac who's frequently going on ketamine benders. What could possibly go wrong?

Pedo-nation

I've got the feeling none of y'all read past the headline.

So you want Donald Trump in charge of the telecom industry and any other industries that have received some sort of public subsidy?

For whatever reasons Musk has found himself as ceo of some wildly successful visionary companies. It has not changed that they are finally bringing the future to the present, disrupting old technologies in favor of newer and better, for a better world. And the musk from before his breakdown deserves a lot of credit.

At this point I no longer care about musk either, but SpaceX and Tesla are critical. Or at least SpaceX is. Tesla has not yet finished disrupting vehicle manufacturing , but if we’re content to let Chinese companies go ahead, they’re ready and willing. Legacy manufacturers have been slapped up the side of the face, but if they’re still not awake at this point it’s on them

I’m sorry, but credit for what? For being born privileged and buying talent? If you can’t beat ‘em, buy ‘em, right?

Yeah, I guess he deserves praise for being a good liar and basically selling pipe dreams?

We? No. USA can if it wants that shit.

Tesla was started by a handful of really smart people with a great idea. Musk was ceo as it grew from an idea into the first new major automaker in almost a century. As it grew from a dismissed toy that no one would buy, into an industry-wide paradigm shift. Most of that time musk preached the gospel. You can’t disregard that influence, you can’t claim the guy in charge had nothing to do with it. You might decide his skill was more manipulative than visionary, but you can’t deny that him being the front man was part of the success. You might decide any engineering or problem solving ability was not real, but he was the guy in charge, he did make decisions, and Tesla has generally been a huge success (until recently).

We just need some drug rehab and find a way to reset the god complex ….

Has anyone considered funding NASA?

They made rockets that didn't explode with duct tape and a TI-83 calculator.

First of all, it was performed the way that nobody knew what to even do with those privatization vouchers. They didn't directly give anyone stocks, just vouchers for part of a company etc. Those had to be exchanged for stocks.

People didn't know what to do with them, people had problems feeding their families, and people were offered some money for them. And people thought that's what capitalism is, you get offered money for something, you give it. Nobody scams you, right?

Since those oligarchs happened to all have right friends, it's without any doubt not a mistake that those stocks could even be sold.

And - attention - another history lesson. All the Soviet propaganda against religion led to everyone becoming "kinda church-loving" in the 90-s initially. All the Soviet propaganda for scientific view of the world led to thousands of sects and charlatans, together scamming most of the population. All the Soviet propaganda for honest and labor ethic led to most people not even considering such scams really scams, because in Soviet propaganda doing business was treated same as scamming someone.

So nobody even thought what's happening is wrong. And the part of the population which did understand was those who got the shorter stick. People losing themselves in a bottle or a needle, people literally dying from hunger, people having to do crime or prostitution or mercenary work to survive. It was an unholy kingdom where for a part of the population it seemed they are almost the middle class now, just like in those American movies and ads, and the other part saw those ads and those people daily, but could barely survive.

And then, after a few years, the former part grew some understanding that Russia is approaching fascism, and the latter part, which already lived it since 1993, was so broken that it obeyed the fascists after they gave it a bit of a life without hunger and depression in the 00s.

See, there is a layer of the Russian (and general ex-Soviet) culture, in vibes and emotions, showing things as they really were, but it's horrible to look into that. It was plainly impossible for a normal person to accept some group of people like Anatoly Sobchak's daughter as opposition. After real opposition figures were being marginalized, jailed and even murdered for a few years. After the Chechen wars. After the way that privatization happened, and the 1993. Nobody would follow people who are just a subset of the same evil, except playing clean because it's in fashion.

Then, of course, such a decision, so to say, made by a whole country leads to madness.

And this is what we live since then. Those stormtroopers on crutches storming Ukrainian positions - they know that their orders come from the evil itself. They are not fighting for something or against something, only to feel that evil as more material, or take their share of the suffering, or prove something to themselves. It's a whole society of depressed people who need to prove something to themselves, because everything around is both evil, fake and dirty, one yearns for purification. It's desperation of the better kind of people, whether you believe it or not. The worst kind finds ways not to die. It's even natural for humans, like best shown in Japanese culture of honorable death. In European military cultures honorable suicide was a thing, well, in 2022 a few Russian generals shot themselves. I've read about them.

It's really disgusting to be of the "fat" part of the population of these two.

American exceptionalism is so fucking annoying. Their country is failing to a point hopefully this first person shit rightfully corrects to third person.