Discord unveils Discord Orbs, a new in-app currency that users can earn by completing Quests, which reward participants who interact with ads
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enshittification is full force now
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i self host matrix and some other docker runs the voice for it, so it is there if you got a server. which i mean, not everybody does so that sucks. it was a bit of a pain but im not the best at server stuff
Yeah, my primary concern is I'm part of a community of ~350 people who games together, and while there's probably some folks in there who could swing a server, right now discord isn't costing us anything and does everything we want (chat, voice, streaming, etc). If we were to consider moving we would probably need a reasonably beefy server and some software with all of those features, and right now that just doesn't seem feasible.
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Fuck this shit.
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how good of an alternative is matrix to discord?
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Seems like you have to keep something running for it to work. Some obscure service relied on it as a support channel and last thing I remember is that matrix server stopped working. Though it would help so much if it would be p2p.
"something running" - do you mean the server binary? Because, yes, if you're using your own server you do need it to be running. Same for the client, I guess? I guess I don't really understand what you meant by that.
Some obscure service relied on it as a support channel and last thing I remember is that matrix server stopped working.
That's an issue with any federated service, yeah. If the server is down, it's down. But as a bonus, unlike Discord, when a server is down you can just move to another. So, honestly, I see that as a boon.
As far as p2p goes, there was an effort to make that a while back, but it looks like people lost interest.
Though, personally I think federation is good enough. That's why I'm on Lemmy/the Fediverse, after all.
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Yeah, my primary concern is I'm part of a community of ~350 people who games together, and while there's probably some folks in there who could swing a server, right now discord isn't costing us anything and does everything we want (chat, voice, streaming, etc). If we were to consider moving we would probably need a reasonably beefy server and some software with all of those features, and right now that just doesn't seem feasible.
yeah you could all pitch in and get one hosted on a server farm somewhere. hard to beat free fitty tho. ive got friends who wanna stay on discord too so im still on it. as long as its free. mostly did the matrix thing to move family chats off off whatsapp. only used whatsapp bc ios sucks about sharing full quality pics and videos with non ios.
i say all of that bc i didnt host it to move from discord, but now that its up i got an easy out if discord goes all in on enshittification
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This is outdated and no longer preferred, it now has its own internal system called Element Call (aka an implementation of MatrixRTC).
i use coturn for voice on mine
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"something running" - do you mean the server binary? Because, yes, if you're using your own server you do need it to be running. Same for the client, I guess? I guess I don't really understand what you meant by that.
Some obscure service relied on it as a support channel and last thing I remember is that matrix server stopped working.
That's an issue with any federated service, yeah. If the server is down, it's down. But as a bonus, unlike Discord, when a server is down you can just move to another. So, honestly, I see that as a boon.
As far as p2p goes, there was an effort to make that a while back, but it looks like people lost interest.
Though, personally I think federation is good enough. That's why I'm on Lemmy/the Fediverse, after all.
I only mean that the requirements are high enough for someone to stop using it at some point, losing users of that server in the process. It might be different if it didn't require running a server. Or they could choose to host their rooms on some existing server, I guess.
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increasingly belligerent chasing of profits.
The word you're looking for is enshittification.
I thought it was called capitalism.
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I only mean that the requirements are high enough for someone to stop using it at some point, losing users of that server in the process. It might be different if it didn't require running a server. Or they could choose to host their rooms on some existing server, I guess.
Or they could choose to host their rooms on some existing server, I guess.
I mean, that's sort of the point, right? Don't host unless you want to.
There are lots of great, long lasting servers with open registration out there. This blog post has some good examples:
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i use coturn for voice on mine
I meant for video. The classic coturn connection is fine for voice - though I wish it had push to talk. 🥲
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I thought it was called capitalism.
Enshittificaiton is a uniquely capitalist thing, so..
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Users on reddit and lemmy always seem to think ad-based stuff is going to fail, and then it turns out people in the real world are depressingly accepting of ads. I would bet that this program is more likely to be expanded than canceled.
I told my sister she can use an adblock to block ads while she's browsing. She said "why would i want to do that, ads show me what to buy" she loves personalised ads and the idea that all her interests are being track so she can be served relevant ads.
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how good of an alternative is matrix to discord?
Not as feature rich, quite buggy, inherently more private but also less usable.
The above compounds when trying to get the non-techies to use it, because sometimes it doesn’t just work
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How in the hell has that app gone so far down? This must be a record in enshittification.
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Not as feature rich, quite buggy, inherently more private but also less usable.
The above compounds when trying to get the non-techies to use it, because sometimes it doesn’t just work
Started running a homeserver recently, trying to get non-techy friends to join, can confirm this is difficult (the main one right now being people using old software on their phones, one friend was running iOS 14 for crying out loud)
Once set up I find it OK as a user
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How in the hell has that app gone so far down? This must be a record in enshittification.
I warned my friends that Discord is looking to go public. Just wait, it's going to get a lot worse.
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I thought it was called capitalism.
They are the same thing.
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Because of the networking effect, people don’t leave.
Federation is strong specifically because of how it gets around the networking effect. You don't need a .world account to see content from it. That doesn't apply for Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube without shenanigans.
This notion that everyone’s just going to pick up and leave Lemmy
You don't need to leave lemmy. It takes 10 minutes to set up a new account somewhere else, with zero downsides.
If you control the main server, breaking federation is not a problem.
