Palantir may be engaging in a coordinated disinformation campaign by astroturfing these news-related subreddits: r/world, r/newsletter, r/investinq, and r/tech_news
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I have never seen it but I remember the snake meme was a highlight of the time
I'm referring to Avatar!
I cannot believe they blew that kind of money and produced that piece of turd lol
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Good evidence of astroturfing on Reddit. That Reddit took action and banned the Palantir agents only provides evidence that exposure of the op is the problem. Not evidence that Reddit acts in good faith.
A good question to ask, is what would happen if Lemmy was the victim of astroturfing. It's decentralized for starters and groups might not even reside in the same place on the fediverse. Also I expect Reddit has monitoring, analytics and tools that could flag behaviour rather than somebody having to go through logs trying to find patterns.
I think Lemmy and other federated platforms have escaped having to deal with these issues simply because someone attempting to astroturf will do it on the biggest platform. So Lemmy escapes not by any technical or administrative virtue but by being smallfry.
Corporatism leads to imperialism by the need to seek profits in new markets. Wherever we see lots of defense of imperialism, there is corporate backing behind it. That's why I think lemmy.world is astroturfed. There's a strong anti-communist and pro "free market" capitalist tendency on there. Posts that attack the Global South as the world's villains. On the other hand, there are also many people on lemmy.world that speak out against imperialism and capitalistic exploitation. But the recurrent waves of reactionary politics on lemmy.world indicate to me the presence of astroturfing trolls.
This makes sense even on a relatively small platform like Lemmy because it threatens to become a nucleus for organizing against capitalism. -
Setting aside the veritable TITAN-loads of shady shit Palsntir is up to, it's also worth noting that Reddit's policy changes have made it clear that providing a platform for the spread of disinformation is a central part of its current business model, so I'd assume that not only is Palantir using it for that purpose, but that they are far from alone.
What shady stuff are you talking about may I ask?
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Palantir is pretty awful. I knew a guy who took a job there, a bunch of years ago. When he said where he was going, I asked "But what if they work on something really shitty? Like spying on people?". He was like, "Meh", with a big shrug.
He was friendly and kind to the people around him, but I guess he just didn't care about anyone he didn't know personally right now.
If I'm reading this right, you would basically say that any company that helps government institutions spy on people is awful, is that right?
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Yup. I've worked in tech for nearly 20 years. Most people who work in tech don't give a shit about the ethics of what they do or where they work if the money is good.
This is a screenshot from one of the discords of current and/or previous coworkers, but the sentiment is everywhere
Ex pal people are on slack, not discord. This is probably an investor server
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Palantir
maybe engaging in a coordinated disinformation campaignIs, has been, is designed to, whole purpose is, etc... definitely not "may"...
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Source? I've never heard about pal being used for disinformation
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Ex pal people are on slack, not discord. This is probably an investor server
Lol are you telling me that the people that I've worked with directly in small 5-10 person discord servers that we set up when I worked with them, are in fact investor imposters, and instead the actual coworkers are secretly using separate slack setups? Or do you just imagine that anecdotally how ever your coworkers have communicated is how all people communicate without exception?
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Palantir just partnered with TeleTracking. For anyone outside of health care, TeleTracking is a health tech company that's been on decline for awhile.
Why is this relevant, you may ask? TeleTracking still has a lot of clients, many of which are smaller hospitals grandfathered into older, cheaper contracts. If you go to a hospital that uses TeleTracking, Palantir now has all your patient health information.
Is there any evidence that Palantir the company aggregates data across contractual boundaries? Everything I've seen indicates the reverse: it's a glorified hosted data storage solution with workflows built on top
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Palantir is the absolute scum of the information world. Tech with promise, but used in the worst kind of ways.
What kind of ways, can you explain?
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Good evidence of astroturfing on Reddit. That Reddit took action and banned the Palantir agents only provides evidence that exposure of the op is the problem. Not evidence that Reddit acts in good faith.
Put me in my place if this is nonsense but doesn't it make way more sense if the astroturfing is done by WSB goons? I just don't see corporate entities coordinating this kind of thing
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Who cares? Anyone still drinking the reddit cool aid is just asking for a leopard to eat their face.
I think we should all care about what misinformation is spread to what people
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What kind of ways, can you explain?
3 light reading articles. Enjoy.
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If I'm reading this right, you would basically say that any company that helps government institutions spy on people is awful, is that right?
I haven't thought through all the scenarios and edge cases, but generally spying on the public seems dicey and ripe for abuse. Especially if it's just like "the public, all the time, whenever we feel like it," instead of "ok we got a warrant signed by a judge to investigate Joe Bombguy".
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I think we should all care about what misinformation is spread to what people
Reddit is a lost cause. I check anything coming from there because I suspect its fake or distorted.
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I haven't thought through all the scenarios and edge cases, but generally spying on the public seems dicey and ripe for abuse. Especially if it's just like "the public, all the time, whenever we feel like it," instead of "ok we got a warrant signed by a judge to investigate Joe Bombguy".
To me, spying and spying on the public en masse are very different things
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Put me in my place if this is nonsense but doesn't it make way more sense if the astroturfing is done by WSB goons? I just don't see corporate entities coordinating this kind of thing
The top hits for my "WSB" search are:
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World Sports Betting
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r/WallStreetBets
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World Superbikes
I don't think any of their goons are astroturfing (well, maybe World Superbikes). Did you mean a different entity?
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