What the actual fuck is "Europe doesn't/didn't want to help the US avoid their current fascist dictatorship" supposed to mean ?

What exactly do you think European countries should have done to stop Mango Mussolini being elected ?

Send in German troops to the red states to stand next to the ballot boxes and turn away MAGA voters ?

Send Keir Starmer to hand out leaflets for Harris at the Walmart in ButteFuck Wyoming ?

You dumb fucks voted for him, we can't fix that for you. We certainly can't send military in - the US has spent 50 years persuading and forcing the EU to be militarily weak (and 10 years bitching about the consequences of their own diplomatic efforts)

Piss off with this idiocy.

Don't deflect. Fix.

Ok but when did I ever say that they are equally bad or anything of the like? I said very specifically “the democrats are not any better in this respect”.

In this respect.

Once more:
In this respect.

Reading comprehension.

Also partisanship of any kind is disgusting. Thats the real problem in American politics, the abhorrent tribalism fed by the two party system. No progress will happen while you continue to feed this system because both sides are not willing to solve the underlying root issues. Both just want to put bandaids on problems and continue to preserve their power. If the democrats know they will always have your vote no matter what, they have no reason to fix any issues. Which is why for the past few decades they have solved jack shit. So vote democrat but just like MAGA isn’t afraid to vote out their so called RINOs you should not be afraid to put a boot in the ass of democrats that only serve corporate interests.

Just don't pretend the Democratic Party aren't captured opposition. It's not a monolith, but the faction with power in the DNC are more interested in losing to the Republicans than letting the wrong people win.

It wasn't the EU's role to defend our internal politics. It was ours.

And we were also trying to be careful. More careful than we should have been.

The goal was to remain as non-partisan as possible while giving the public enough info to make the right decision. We all failed in that.

it’s nice when the the comment you came to make is sitting proudly at the top of the thread.

It's hard to fix the problem when MAGAts are fucking morons. My dipshit moron uncle tried that shit on me recently, and tried to compare "what we've suffered the last 4 years" as if the fascist authoritarian crackdowns we are seeing are anywhere near anything under Biden.

These people are willingly and gladly stupid/ignorant and refuse anything that refutes the inaccurate worldview in their heads. I'm trying when I can, but talking to these dumbasses is infuriating at times (probably intentionally to keep people from being able to disabuse them of their ignorance).

I'm sick to death of these ignorant fucking comments. I see them, I block. Read about what the US did for its european allies during the cold war to get some semblance of an idea, beyond that I couldn't give two shits for your opinions.

Yeah we failed because we didn't use all avenues available to us. Including insisting upon the resources of our supposed allies. Although I feel those resources should have been volunteered considering the clear and present danger to our democracy and the fact that these NATO states were supposed to be our allies. instead we got next to nothing.

This alliance has felt incredibly one sided and at this point, with the US being heavily controlled by Russia I almost feel like Europe is just reaping what its sown. If there is a war in europe, europe will suffer, and it is their own faults for being willfully isolationist.

They funded right wing terrorism right?

Of course. Why let Russia and China have the monopoly on making the world a worse place.

Correction: Magats and tankies.

The thinking that any of the current fallout in the US is foreign-led is not giving any good explanations for the reality we observe and therefore procides no good solutions. What you're observing is primarily driven by the oligarch class in the US finding new ways to extract profit. That drives everything. It drives Fox, it drives the Heritage Foundation, it drives turning both parties in oligarch-serving machines. External factors are only helping accelerate it a bit. Feeding this machine with resources from the outside is a bad idea since most of those resources would be captured by the oligatchs. The only way out of this is to get an internal populist left movement to curb their power, reposses most of their resources and redestribute them to the masses.

they believe in democracy their own power, they don’t undermine allies also support genocide, they don’t plan to take health care do shit to provide public healthcare

"interested in acquiring"

It just happened that Trump discredited all previous US propaganda. So much resources invested to make the US look good, and it’s all gone.

If you don't think it was foreign led then you have no idea what you're talking about. It has been entirely led by Russia. Yes the oligarchs in the US have been a part of it, but they were unified and driven together by Russian interference in US politics. You want to ignore the part that Russia played in this, then you choose to rewrite history.

And your "only way out of this" -- why don't you tell me in small steps exactly how that happens. Lets hear it.

This means they have already acquired this and are currently using it, and have been for years

Oligarchs have been unified by their pursuit for profit long before Russia became able to push any sort of effective propaganda to Americans. The Heritage Foundation that peddles these ideas did not emerge from Russian interference in 2016. Neither did Fox whose entire purpose is peddling domestic oligarch propaganda. Neither did the Chicago School of Economics anti-worker takeover of national economic policy. US oligarchs did not offshore middle class jobs or bust unions on Russian advice. This has been going on for a lot longer than the last decade. The pushback started as a result of FDR's redistribution policies that cut US oligarch wealth in the aftermath of the Great Depression. First slowly, then more quickly.

And your "only way out of this" -- why you don't you tell me in small steps exactly how that happens. Lets hear it.

Campaign, donate and vote for "far-left" D candidates at every gov't level - like AOC, Zohran, etc. Campaign, donate and vote for "far-left" independent candidatss where there's no such candidates in that district. Join a union. Join a local socialist org. Eventually you'd tilt the balance of power in various gov't institutions. Whenever you do that, you tax the rich to death. But that goes without saying cause every "far-left" candidate has that on their agenda.

E: FWIW, was where you are in my thinking a few years ago. I didn't know as much about the historical development of econimic policy in the US, who drove it, who got richer, who got poorer, what tools were being used to do one or the other.

E2: And in case it isn't clear how taxing the rich to death solves the problem, it deprives them from the money they need to buy the democratic system. It puts that money back into the majority's pockets. Politicians have to fight for that money and therefore go back to serving the majority. They start passing the laws that you want passed. Like curbing online propaganda from both Zuckerberg and Putin. And many others that serve you instead of Bezos.

If on the other hand you eliminate all foreign propagnda with a magic wand today, all domestic propaganda will remain. Democratic control will remain in the hands of the oligarchs. They would keep making Americans poorer and poorer while scapegoating yet another group or actor. The most impoverished would completely lose faith in the democratic system because it no longer solves their problems. When the oligarchs propose a candidate who promises to solve the poverty (they themselves created) by dismantling democracy (since democracy is the only nonviolent tool that can strip them of their wealth), the desperate would vote for that. As FDR, and many others have explained a century ago.

I have to work everyday and I'm homeless, fuck you