Framework unveils a second-generation Framework Laptop 16 with a swappable Nvidia RTX 5070 GPU, an industry first, shipping in November 2025
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Still waaay too expensive
I'd pay it if they had a few things I'm looking for:
- Trackpoint (Thinkpad nipple)
- physical mouse buttons, including middle mouse button
Basically, I want the ThinkPad keyboard on a Framework laptop.
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Not saying that supporting the under dog isn't good.
Just don't think AMD is less "nasty", the only thing stopping them is the lack of power to do so.
Right, and since they're not dominant, they're less nasty. If they become dominant, consider switching to whoever is the underdog at that point.
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I'd pay it if they had a few things I'm looking for:
- Trackpoint (Thinkpad nipple)
- physical mouse buttons, including middle mouse button
Basically, I want the ThinkPad keyboard on a Framework laptop.
My main problem with those prices is not even the value for money (albeit imo there is quite a disparity here), but the financial damage when lost/stolen. For private use, I just don't want to carry any device around that is substantially more expensive than ~1000 EUR.
And the only thing that Framework has to offer me that no one else insise the EU has, is 15+ inches without a num block and with centered touchpad.
The market share of laptops with num blocks (and accordingly off-center touchpads) is infuriatingly high and tells me 99.5% of people either have a tiny left hand or do no serious typing on the keyboard. -
My main problem with those prices is not even the value for money (albeit imo there is quite a disparity here), but the financial damage when lost/stolen. For private use, I just don't want to carry any device around that is substantially more expensive than ~1000 EUR.
And the only thing that Framework has to offer me that no one else insise the EU has, is 15+ inches without a num block and with centered touchpad.
The market share of laptops with num blocks (and accordingly off-center touchpads) is infuriatingly high and tells me 99.5% of people either have a tiny left hand or do no serious typing on the keyboard.I'm not worried about theft at all, but I hate typing on crappy keyboards with no travel and I don't like using the trackpad unless I absolutely have to (and I have a Macbook Pro at work, which supposedly has the best trackpad, and I still don't like using it).
I want a comfy keyboard and a way to middle mouse click (makes 3D modeling feasible, nice for scrolling pages, etc).
I'm willing to budge if they make a model with great battery life, something to rival my ARM Macbook Pro. If I can get that with expandable RAM, I'd give up on the keyboard, but I can get a better keyboard on an x86 Lenovo for half the price...
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I'd pay it if they had a few things I'm looking for:
- Trackpoint (Thinkpad nipple)
- physical mouse buttons, including middle mouse button
Basically, I want the ThinkPad keyboard on a Framework laptop.
There are people out there that use those nipples wow! I guess everyone has their preference, for me 120hz screen is a must.
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OK I’m a bit confused.
I have a Framework 16” that I bought earlier this year, without the GPU extension bay.
I don’t care that much about the expansion bay as without it, the laptop is already huge. I have an eGPU to play on when I need it.What upgrade options does this announcement offer to me?
I’m dissatisfied with:
- the webcam
- screen colors / brightness
- key stability on the keyboard (the keys are a bit wobbly)
- speaker sound quality (I’m not expecting the best, but something better than what it shipped with)
They are announcing a new webcam, will it be backwards compatible ?
Otherwise I’m really happy with it, I absolutely love the modular I/O, being able to swap which side the audio jack is is amazing. happy to support this endeavor of repairability
So I went back to the blog post. They are shipping the Framework 13" webcam in this updated 16" version. The part was already available for me to upgrade!
We’re now using the 2nd Gen Webcam that we first introduced last year on Framework Laptop 13.
Introducing the new Framework Laptop 16 with NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 5070
We’re excited to announce the new Framework Laptop 16, now with AMD Ryzen™ AI 300 Series processors and a graphics upgrade to NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 5070 Laptop GPU!
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The module comes pre-installed on Framework Laptop 13 (Intel Core Ultra Series 1) and the new Ryzen 7040 Series configurations with the 2.8k display. It’s also compatible with all of our existing Framework Laptop 13 and Framework Laptop 16 models [...]
Framework Laptop 13 Deep Dive - A laptop webcam with smartphone
Sharing more about the new second generation Webcam Module we developed alongside Framework Laptop 13 (Intel Core Ultra Series 1).
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There are people out there that use those nipples wow! I guess everyone has their preference, for me 120hz screen is a must.
Being able to move the mouse while you've got dirty and moisty hands or wearing gloves while watching diy videos on cars is always a god send
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There are people out there that use those nipples wow! I guess everyone has their preference, for me 120hz screen is a must.
Yup, and they're my jam. My workflow is very keyboard centric, so being able to scroll while keeping my hands on the home row is nice.
A 120hz screen is nice, but isn't nearly as impactful as a good keyboard and trackpoint. I'd take 60hz if I could get a Thinkpad keyboard.
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It’s just soldered LPDDR5X. Framework could’ve fixed it to a motherboard just like the desktop.
I think the problem is cooling and power. The laptop's internal PSU and heatsink would have to be overhauled for Strix Halo, which would break backwards compatibility if it was even possible to cram in. Same with bigger AMD GPUs and such; people seem to underestimate the engineering and budget constraints they’re operating under.
That being said, way more laptop makers and motherboard makers could have picked up Strix Halo. I'd kill for a desktop motherboard with a PCIe x8 GPU slot.
The limitations isnt in the lpddr5x ram, but in the sodimm interface.
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i’ve had a framework 13 from a time before there was any other type of framework, and it’s a great laptop honestly. ive yet to do big upgrades, but just being able to repair it myself is awesome. one time i dented the chassis around where the power button was. no worries, just changed the input cover and bam 5 minutes later it’s like new.
my only complaint is that the battery life is atrocious. i heard it’s better (but still not great) on newer models tho
I wonder if the amd models from framework perform as well as other oems in terms of battery life. The other guy in the thread said that his 2 Intel laptops perform worse due flawed firmware.
