Ok, but one of the most important use cases is non-local access.

If I'm at home I can just go to the door.

So, what are people using to get:

• good quality streaming
• doorbell alert
• motion alerts
• local and remote access
• recording storage

Currently using Ring (outside of America) and looking to migrate away. There are some nice other features like distinguishing motion vs people vs vehicles that are nice to have but can live without.

The cops can come to them to get video on you. So you’re impacted.

It's solved tech and there are hundreds of alternatives so you can definitely find something local. I've heard Netatmo recommended for Europeans (French, gdpr compliant)

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Oh I'm lazy too (in regards to boring stuff). But I know what I don't know and would not start to argue about e.g. car-mechanics or buy something without at least getting a basic grasp of that.
Lazyness isn't an excuse for ignorance

Yeah sure, government shall intervene. But...i can probably expect more from anyone else.

And no,I didn't imply everyone should be expert at everything. That is beyond impossible, even for fractions of fractions of things.
But. If you wanna drive a car, you're forced to learn a shitton and pay like 2k € to be allowed to do so. One of the reasons is safety for others.

If I had no clue about e.g. doorbells, I would ask a pro I know or search the net or whatever. At least the absolute basics of it. Even setting the pure curiosity aside, just to know what the heck I'm getting at.
Admitted, I might have much more spare time than the regular Jane or Joe, but I'd still do that if I had to work. Just less intensive.

But yes, this mixture of apathy and ignorance is the leading reason why the internet sucks so much nowadays then 30 or even just 20yrs ago.
The majority of absolutely clueless people not knowing how they get fucked and where to draw a line. Sure, to some it's just a tool they don't need to know shit about to use it. No judging. BUT that doesn't change the fact.

I don't know anything about this product, but if the data is just on an SD card attached to the doorbell, couldn't someone just steal the SD card? Like, this is why offsite storage for cameras is useful.

You can run all of that on a Raspberry Pi, without third-party access and surveyllance.

How is this any different?

IT and privacy is too abstract for non-tech people. Bring examples with people instead of the tech devices to make an impact.

Things like this:

People who claim they don't value privacy are simply ignorant of how this can affect them. They don't consider the data falling into the wrong hands. Surely they don't want criminals with unauthorized access at least. It should be obvious that governments don't always have their best interests either.

Isn't roofing too abstract either? 100% majority of people dont know how prevalent asbestos was in roofing material and what even asbestos does but yet if you tell anyone thay their shit has asbestos in it they'll be quick to rush to alternatives. Sometimes people just need to be told what to do.

There are many other cameras but most have the same potential to do this sort of shit. Sending video to some server you don't control, on cameras you don't control because it's proprietary, isn't going to cut it if privacy is your goal.

No, most don't do it.

An offsite server is not under your control and accessible by who knows. Surely it is still a privacy concern.

Privacy is like security in that it costs time. Most people don't spend time on even having a conversation like this but if something bothers you then finding a spare day is easier.

It's not like there's been dozens of people warning about it in the last few years. People deserve what they get.

Not if they are willingly bringing this inside their homes. I think it’s very different from substances that you might not be aware are there and are highly toxic.

The best thing is you don't need any of that. Just install normal doorbell. We all love gadgets but some of them are just not worth it.

We need to protect uninformed people. You do this by informing them. If they know the risks and still decide they don't care it's their problem, not ours.

I recently adopted a dog who I want to monitor when I'm away from home. So I got a cheap motion tracking in-home camera with cloud storage, and AI identification for people and pets. The AI functions never fucking worked. I already had a Ring camera.

Did a bit of research after realising the cheapo camera was shit, and went for a eufy stack to replace the Ring doorbell and tbr shitty in-house camera.

I now have:

• eufy Video Doorbell
• eufy HomeBase 3, with an added 1TB of storage
• eufy IndoorCam C220

This gives me

• local storage for both cameras on the HomeBase.
• the HomeBase also gives you local AI for (individual) person, (general) pet, vehicle, and package identification. I haven't tried the vehicle identification.
• streaming in the app for both cameras should work in 2k. I have it set to 1080p. It's good enough for me.
• continuous recording is an option. I have it set to motion alerts because
• the app gives you motion and doorbell alerts. You can configure how much information you want in the notifications, to prevent video's from passing through eufy's servers.