I'm stuck with Teams in my job.

I fucking hate it.

Same. I've come to terms using it in browser mode on Edge, same for Outlook. The desktop applications are so horrific, I uninstalled both. Half the time they wouldn't work or force log me out.

Now I literally have a standalone screen that's showing nothing but Edge with those two tabs on, and all my productive environment is on a nice large screen where I don't have to see the crap.

Legal liability for when the service, inevitably, gets breached. If the government hosts it, they're liable. If the vendor hosts it, the vendor is liable. Simple as money matters.

I get it! It’s a fucking terrible program. At the moment I’ve got two instances of it running, one old and one new. Why the fuck? Why doesn’t all the old things transfer to the new one?

It’s also a joke to maneuver. The different subjects have “hidden” subcategories that aren’t supposed to be hidden but are! So you have two extra clicks to find the folder.. it’s a giant fucking joke that a company the size of MS can’t make this tolerable.

Yes, but only in Europe, and no Americans are allowed.

SteamOS is not a good desktop distribution, which isn't surprising as it's not supposed to be one. It's specialised for handhelds.

Go install Ubuntu or something, really anything, ideally don't have an Nvidia GPU, install steam, done. SteamOS has no special sauce regarding running games.

It crashes, it loses things, it has a lousy search function, to automate messaging you need to learn one of the arcane and convoluted MS services because they deprecated the much easier webhooks...

When something fails (and it always does) we just say "Well... it's Teams", and that sums it up.

Bribes, I'd venture.

and therefore automatically multi-platform

But not necessarily multibrowser.

Damn those people developing only for Chrome.

I wouldn't count on the federation they've been doing nothing all these years. Schleswig-Holstein law has favoured FLOSS solutions since 2009 ("where technically possible and economical"), and bits and pieces were introduced as early as 2012. ZenDiS exists since 2022, opendesk is based on dPhoenixSuite, work done by Dataport precisely for Schleswig-Holstein, and they're still doing most of the development work. More importantly though I'm not seeing any political commitment on the federal level, the Bundeswehr switching over because they care about stuff doesn't mean that the, what, finance ministry cares. The BND probably also cares but tough luck getting them to confirm or deny anything.

Any suggestions on alternatives?

Slack is ok but proprietary.

Element is a new and eg fractal doesn't have threading.

It says they will be replaced soon, so im assuming it's phase 2.

I'm definitely in the minority, but i really never had or have any issues with Windows or Teams like everyone seems to complain so much about. With that said, I absolutely love that they are making this move. As someone who works in the area and sees the pricing and how much our company spends on Microsoft I find it appalling and absurd that anyone is willing to spend that much on licensing... I wish I could work on a project like this just to see what the savings could be overall.

Sorry to say, but no idea.

We used separate applications for seven years (Jabber for IM and Asana for ticket management), and for me, that's what I'm stuck with using Teams for, at least until Microsoft drops AI into and it eats itself.

Used Teams for a bit. Seemed fine, just used it like any other IRC clone. Didn't use it for video. Windows has a lot of annoyances; death by a thousand cuts. The Windows ecosystem also sucks: to the point where graphic card and mouse driver installers try to install spyware.

So they could just use a service offered by (checks notes) T-Systems, Siemens, Lufthansa Systems, SAP, TeamViewer AG,... what's that? In all these years these companies were relying on US service providers as well, instead of innovating? Well that sucks.

At my work all but me love microsoft. But ..... They started to complain about teams too. I only use the chat because it's impossible to avoid.

Literally no one I work with likes Teams but we keep using it because that's just what we do. Other options basically don't exist simply by virtue of being either not Microsoft or not overwhelmingly the market leader.

Many are switching to Nextcloud Talk.

I've used them all pretty much and it's a really shitty product