Operation Narnia: Iran’s nuclear scientists reportedly killed simultaneously using special weapon
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Since when is it legal to kill civilian scientists in another country?
Civilian nuclear scientists working in enrichment are not protected by the Geneva convention. Technically it is legal to kill them when engaged in warfare.
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- Why is it ok for them to assassinate civilians?
It's not just their intended targets, either. Plenty of completely unrelated civilians have been killed in the crossfire.
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The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.
The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.
The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.
The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...
Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...
How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:
A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.
Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.
I wonder how many civilians Israel killed in the process. It's probably a lot more than 0.
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There we again with the israel has superior inteligence that can't never make mistakes bs.
Israel has many impressive operations but it doesn't mean everything bad happen in israel is just according to a plan
Pretty sure there were reputable news articles right after Oct 7th that said that Israel's intelligence was basically aware but decided to ignore it/dismiss it. So in this case they willfully ignored it for some reason, I wonder why..
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Just to play devils advocate, what circumstances is it legitimate for Israel to attack Iran?
Yeah, that's cool.
Well I guess my opinion is that it's essentially never "legitimate" to be the aggressor. Determining which party is the aggressor can sometimes be complicated, but it often boils down to this: which party is crossing the border?
In this case, I'm sure many would say that Iran took the first aggressive action by pursuing a nuclear program, but I have a few issues with that. First, Israel already has nuclear weapons, so surely that is an earlier provocation. Secondly, Iran still isn't crossing the border, Israel was first to pull the trigger, and they pulled a lot of triggers (in Iranian territory). And finally, Israel and Iran have been in the process of forging nuclear treaties many times now, and nearly every time Israel has sabotaged the talks with provocative, often military actions, or they simply left the table - it seems clear to me that Israel does not want a nuclear deal, they will not accept any kind of compromise.
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When was the last time Iran invaded land to settle it with its own people?
I think their last offensive war was tge 1700s? Since then it appears they have been mostly playing the soft power war by proxy game. While their main antagonists actively invade, infiltrate and kill them.
I can't personnally get over the facts that invaders overthrew their democracy because of fucking oil.
The perpetrators should nuke themselves out of shane. Their intelligence agents should auto-trotsky themselves.
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But that's it exactly - cluster bombs just fling granades all over a city block at random. It's basically just collateral damage in the hopes of hitting a soft target
I mean, fuck palantir and I really don't like this tech in general, but blowing up a room or a house is way more precise. You're hitting just what you mean to hit
And that's what a lot of war crimes come down to - certain weapons are unacceptably imprecise. Which gets into the first rule of war crimes - you're not supposed to attack noncombatants
Let's not defend cluster bombs just because Israel is going to use this for justification...
Because of course they will, this whole thing started by blowing up the Iranian negotiator, they're obviously not going to start acting in good faith now
I'm not defending cluster bombs, I'm saying it's bullshit to kill multiple families in an apartment building and pretend you're the fucking good guys because you have more sophisticated tech. Especially when there was no reason to attack Iran like this in the first place.
He's been accusing Iran of being weeks away from having nuclear weapons since 2012. He almost gets voted out of leadership and when he doesn't he jumps on the opportunity to start bombing Iran and taking out these scientists (and everyone around them) who he had been targeting since November.
He and Trump are going to get us all killed to gain money and power. Fuck them and fuck anyone that wants to keep defending this ignorant bullshit, as if people can't see clear as day, exactly what these sacks of shit are doing.
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Pretty sure there were reputable news articles right after Oct 7th that said that Israel's intelligence was basically aware but decided to ignore it/dismiss it. So in this case they willfully ignored it for some reason, I wonder why..
They downplayed the threat, it's not the first time they did just like Russia was also warned about Kursk offensive and still let it happen
Revealed: Russia anticipated Kursk incursion months in advance, seized papers show
Exclusive: Documents contain months of warnings about possible Ukrainian advance and also reveal concerns about morale
the Guardian (www.theguardian.com)
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I have always been amazed that countries are allowed to get away with this. You would expect that a country that does this would have their leadership rounded up by an international strike force instantly and hauled to Hague.
Nation level retaliation would ensue. Maybe possible to do in some country matchups, but not possible in all.
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Civilian nuclear scientists working in enrichment are not protected by the Geneva convention. Technically it is legal to kill them when engaged in warfare.
Has Israel officially declared war on Iran? Apart from that, why aren't they protected by the Geneva convention?
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Out his ass like everyone on the internet.
lol joker
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Thanks person from the Meloni Mussolini country
On the Internet nobody knows if you're a Frog, or not.
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Okay buddy Nazi sympathetizer
It's not about Nazi or any such thing, it's about abilities. They didn't draft the whole German army, just the ones they thought would make them stronger.
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The thing is, until someone actually faces any consequences in modern times for atrocities such as these; simply saying how bad they are has become meaningless.
Saying it's bad is a step better than saying nothing, which is a step better than parroting the speeches provided by Great Leader's party promoters.
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But like... Presumably, you're not just individually killing a bunch of civilians precisely
No, they're not precise at all unless you consider also killing their families and potentially an entire building full of people to be acceptable "precision."
That's why it seems like bullshit to pretend lower tech cluster bombs are an inexcusable evil compared to Palantir AI drones.
they’re not precise at all unless you consider also killing their families and potentially an entire building full of people to be acceptable “precision.”
No matter where you are on the scale, you could always get better (just killing the intended target) and worse (low yield nuke somewhere near the building.)
The saddest part is when they calculate that the collateral damage is "beneficial" to their cause. That's the kind of calculation that tends to become more and more inaccurate over the long term.
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There is no "international authority". It's all big stick politics out there. It's like trying to go after a corporation in the US. The "punishments" when they break the law are fines, if that, and any admonishment not to fuck over the same person in the same way again.
Think about your boss shorting you $100. The "legal" process involves YEARS of waiting for a court date, a labor code interpreted heavily in favor of the employer, and at the end of the day, they get fines and maybe have to pay back what you rightfully earned in the first place.
Now think about what happens when you steal $100 from work. Immediate police involvement, possible arrest, absolute legal consequences even if you're cleared years later, the presumption of guilt from everyone in society.
It's even worse on a political stage. Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it's broken. Everyone just waits around until the collective consciousness supports some sort of social consequence on the offender in question. That's not even tying race or religion into the mix, which Israel loves to twist up into their particular brand of nationalism.
The civil world is simply too polite to call them out for all their shit. It's a whole world full of chickenshit and I am tired of the stink.
It's like that saying goes: "The law is the same for everyone, neither the king nor the beggar may sleep under a bridge."
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One of those things is a genocidal theocratic ethnostate killing your military leaders.
The other is the world's biggest bully and largest exporter of "freedom", as seen in Lybia, Iraq and even Iran back in the 1950s
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There is no "international authority". It's all big stick politics out there. It's like trying to go after a corporation in the US. The "punishments" when they break the law are fines, if that, and any admonishment not to fuck over the same person in the same way again.
Think about your boss shorting you $100. The "legal" process involves YEARS of waiting for a court date, a labor code interpreted heavily in favor of the employer, and at the end of the day, they get fines and maybe have to pay back what you rightfully earned in the first place.
Now think about what happens when you steal $100 from work. Immediate police involvement, possible arrest, absolute legal consequences even if you're cleared years later, the presumption of guilt from everyone in society.
It's even worse on a political stage. Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it's broken. Everyone just waits around until the collective consciousness supports some sort of social consequence on the offender in question. That's not even tying race or religion into the mix, which Israel loves to twist up into their particular brand of nationalism.
The civil world is simply too polite to call them out for all their shit. It's a whole world full of chickenshit and I am tired of the stink.
Nobody has the moral fortitude to step forward and fix shit because it's broken.
I bet this guy knows how to play Mario Kart.
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Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
This bit stood out to me. Israel has been planning this war since at least November of last year. Israel's current actions say this wasn't a simple "what if..." contingency plan that a government comes up with. This was a plan they were going to put into action soon. Makes it even more disgusting to me.
November, you say? I wonder what happened in November that caused Netanyahu to be emboldened to the point of planning Iranian assassinations...
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The nuclear scientists were killed using a special weapon whose details were barred from publication, Channel 12 says.
The 10th nuclear scientist was killed shortly after the other nine, as part of the overnight Thursday-Friday Israeli operation, which included strikes on Iran’s ballistic missile program and the Natanz nuclear site, along with the elimination of top members of the Islamic Republic’s military leadership, the network says.
The nuclear scientists were all killed while they were sleeping in their beds, with Israel deciding to carry out the assassinations simultaneously so that there wouldn’t be time to tip off those being targeted.
The scientists apparently believed they were safe from such targeting in their homes, a senior Israeli official tells Channel 12, noting that previously assassinated nuclear scientists were killed while heading to their cars after work.
Israel had been tracking Iranian nuclear scientists for years and the ten killed last week were marked for assassination in November of last year, Channel 12 says.
Just when I feel like dystopian news can't really disturb me anymore...
Leaving this totally unrelated article about Palantir and Israel here for absolutely no reason at all...
How Israel Uses AI in Gaza—And What It Might Mean for the Future of Warfare:
A program known as “The Gospel” generates suggestions for buildings and structures militants may be operating in. “Lavender” is programmed to identify suspected members of Hamas and other armed groups for assassination, from commanders all the way down to foot soldiers. “Where’s Daddy?” reportedly follows their movements by tracking their phones in order to target them—often to their homes, where their presence is regarded as confirmation of their identity. The air strike that follows might kill everyone in the target's family, if not everyone in the apartment building.
Abraham, whose report relies on conversations with six Israeli intelligence officers with first-hand experience in Gaza operations after Oct. 7, quoted targeting officers as saying they found themselves deferring to the Lavender program, despite knowing that it produces incorrect targeting suggestions in roughly 10% of cases.
How can people be so fucking stupid as to keep their key personnel vulnerable like that?
