Big Surprise—Nobody Wants 8K TVs
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Yeah but do you also watch tv from about 1.8 meters away? Look at that chart again.
Yeh, pretty much. Those charts aren’t “fact” btw. They’re guides.
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I want one but my GPU can't drive games at 8k and 100+ FPS. Also there's no media for it.
Speaking as a developer; I've a 4K screen which is amazing for having loads of source files open at the same time, and also works for old or undemanding games. Glorious Eggroll's version of Proton has all the FSR patches in it, so you can 'upscale anything'. Almost any modern game, I'm going to be running at lower resolution, usually either 1440p or the slightly odd 2954 x 1662. Generally, highest-quality graphics and upscaling looks better than medium-quality native to me, for games where I have to compromise.
I would be interested in an 8K display for coding, as long as the price is reasonable. I'm not spending five grand, that would be crazy. But I'd still be upscaling for playing games, as basically no GPU could drive that many pixels.
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Yeah, legitimate 8K use cases are ridiculously niche, and I mean... really only have value if you're talking about an utterly massive display, probably around 90 inches or larger, and even then in a pretty small room.
The best use cases I can think of are for games where you're already using DLSS, and can just upscale from the same source resolution to 8K rather than 4K? Maybe something like an advanced CRT filter that can better emulate a real CRT with more resolution to work with, where a pixel art game leaves you with lots of headroom for that effect? Maybe there's value in something like an emulated split screen game, to effectively give 4 players their own 4K TV in an N64 game or something?
But uh... yeah, all use cases that are far from the average consumer. Most people I talk to don't even really appreciate 1080p->4K, and 4X-ing your resolution again is a massive processing power ask in a world where you can't just... throw together multiple GPUs in SLI or something. Even if money is no object, 8K in mainline gaming will require some ugly tradeoffs for the next several years, and probably even forever if devs keep pushing visuals and targeting upscaled 4K 30/60 on the latest consoles.
4K for me as a developer means that I can have a couple of source files and a browser with the API documentation open at the same time. I reckon I could use legitimately use an 8K screen - get a terminal window or two open as well, keep an eye on builds and deployments while I'm working on a ticket.
Now yes - gaming and watching video at 8K. That's phenomenally niche, and very much a case of diminishing returns. But some of us have to work for a living as well, alas, and would like them pixels.
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It creates more problems than it solves. You would need an order of magnitude more processing power to play a game on it. Personally I would prefer 4K at a higher framerate. Even 1080 if it improves response.
Video in 8K are massive. You need better codecs to handle them, and they aren't that widely supported. Storage is more expensive than it was a decade ago.
Also, there is no content. Nobody wants to store and transmit such massive amounts of data over the internet.
HDMI cables will fail sooner at higher resolutions. That 5 year old cable will begin dropping out when you try it at 8k.
4K is barely worth the tradeoffs.
A couple things - every jump like that in resolution is about a 10% increase in size at the source level. So 2K is ~250GB, 4K is ~275GB. Haven't had to deal with 8K myself, yet, but it would be at ~300GB. And then you compress all that for placea like netflix and the size goes down drastically. Add to that codec improvements over time (like x264 -> x265) and you might actually end up with an identical size compressed while carrying 4x more pixels.
HDMI is digital. It doesn't start failing because of increased bandwidth; there's nothing consumable. It either works or it doesn't.
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Four times worse, actually!
if id aint 8k worse i wont buy id
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I do want a dumb 8K TV. I do not want all the so called smart features of a TV. Small Linux device with kodi works way better.
I personally hate Kodi UI. But I get your point
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I do want a dumb 8K TV. I do not want all the so called smart features of a TV. Small Linux device with kodi works way better.
hmm, I wish there was some open source TV OS that I could put into my tv to kind of jailbreak it. Remove all the tracking and ads bs but still allow me to use Netflix and Plex and jellyfin. I don't think such a thing exists though.
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Who is out here filming at that resolution anyway? Cannot fathom the file sizes of anything made for these TVs
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I do want a dumb 8K TV. I do not want all the so called smart features of a TV. Small Linux device with kodi works way better.
I do want a TV that can access Netflix etc without another box. I just don't want the surveillance that comes with it.
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4K for me as a developer means that I can have a couple of source files and a browser with the API documentation open at the same time. I reckon I could use legitimately use an 8K screen - get a terminal window or two open as well, keep an eye on builds and deployments while I'm working on a ticket.
Now yes - gaming and watching video at 8K. That's phenomenally niche, and very much a case of diminishing returns. But some of us have to work for a living as well, alas, and would like them pixels.
Even as a dev, I use a 32" QHD screen for programming. If I went 4K, I would need to use 150% scaling, and that breaks a LOT of stuff.
Everything is built for 100% scaling. Every time I've plugged my PC into a 4K display I've regretted it. It go to 30Hz (on HDMI) or glitch out or something. Even if it doesn't, it's never as smooth.
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i can't tell the difference between 1080 and 4k at the distance i use it. let alone 8k.
we already have nice enough tvs. what about you guys focus on healthcare and shit now?
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Yet. The capitalist factories have to spin, they will find a reason/way to "encourage" another standard change, only it might take a few years. Lucas will re-release the original trilogy in a new cut he always envisioned, you'll be able to observe blackheads on your fav politicians nose, but it will happen, as it always did in the media buisnesses. Maybe it won't be screens, but laser projectors (id rather expect that), but 8k and then whatever-faptylion-k will come in into standard eventually because capitalism demands constant expansion.
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Who is out here filming at that resolution anyway? Cannot fathom the file sizes of anything made for these TVs
A lot of people are filming in 6K or 8K, but only because it gives them more editing leeway when the final video is delivered in 4K.
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A lot of people are filming in 6K or 8K, but only because it gives them more editing leeway when the final video is delivered in 4K.
Higher res matters when filming, because you can reframe scenes in editing without losing resolution when downscaling the final result.
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hmm, I wish there was some open source TV OS that I could put into my tv to kind of jailbreak it. Remove all the tracking and ads bs but still allow me to use Netflix and Plex and jellyfin. I don't think such a thing exists though.
Not ideal, but you can air gap the TV from the network, and use some small sbc, or even a firestick or android box. That's what I do. Stremio?
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Yeah, no shit. The only possible use is gaming, and even PC owners have been upscaling for some time now.
The only case where you might even notice a difference by going to 8K resolution is high end VR, but that's no reason to have 8K in a TV.
Even 4K is overkill for most movies. The HDR is the selling point there, which I'll admit looks nice.
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I don't even want 4K. 1080p is more than good enough.
I also think that 1080 is fine for normal living room distance. In my case, though, I use a 42" 4K as a monitor, where I have the equivalent of 4 1080 monitors. No gaming, but for my use it's more practical than multiple monitors.
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I don't even want 4K. 1080p is more than good enough.
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Not exactly surprising, considering the TV’s and monitors are outpacing the contemt creators and gaming development.
A lot of gamers don’t even have GPU’s that can crank out 4K at the frame rates most monitors are capable of. So 8K won’t do much for you. And movies and regular TV? Man, I’m happy there’s 4K available.
A 4K screen will be more than most folks need right now, so buying an 8K at the moment is just wasted money. Like buying a Ferrari and only ever driving 25 mph.
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Fun fact; Here in Brazil, the cheaper tv models being sold are 720p, and a lot of people buy them and don't even know what video resolution is, neither they feel like missing something lol
I have 2 4K tvs, one used as a monitor. I'm now rewatching some 70's - 80's shows. When the intro starts, I'm acutely aware of the low res, but as soon as the show starts, I get into the content, and I really don't notice the resolution.
If you focus on the resolution instead of the content, maybe the content is not that engaging.