Gamers Bombard Visa & MasterCard With Emails and Calls Over Steam and itch.io Censorship
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There's always a gap between "Someone should do something about this" and "I should do something about this".
Once that line gets crossed, plans like OP's post start.
It's somebody else's problem.
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Couldn't you just buy it on GOG or something? Steam sucks anyway why expend the effort
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I like the story but hate the fact it's all in separate tweets.
Here's the summarized version:
Be Polite.
Act as if you only understand 'the effects', have a nebulous notion of 'the cause'.
Act like you know little other than this, and insist they explain it to you like you are a five year old.
Waste as much of their time as possible, without becoming hotheaded, instead become sad-confused.
"I'm not so much angry, as I am disappointed" type of vibe / energy.
And if possible, be genuinely kind to the low level, actual people you talk to, they literally do not make the rules.
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Couldn't you just buy it on GOG or something? Steam sucks anyway why expend the effort
Hey now, why stop these people FROM CHANGING THE WORLD?! The stakes are too high gramps!
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I love how facts are just rendered to perspectives now.
Corporations lie blatantly all the fucking time.
Its just that they lie in ways that usually are not able to be legally defined as some kind of a legally actionable version of a lie.
They are usually more worried with ever having outwardly admitting something that they could be sued over, than they are with any kind of human to human sense of accountability or believability.
Every, single, thing they are mass releasing or designing as an official stance has gone through some kind of legal team, or a team under a legal team that follow's guidelines from a legal team.
This is just how megacorps work.
They are not people, they are a sociopathic machine, operated by people who very much tend to be sociopaths.
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Hey now, why stop these people FROM CHANGING THE WORLD?! The stakes are too high gramps!
Nothing like a gaming platform that won't let you refund your purchases after 2 hours of playtime.
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But how can I be expected to sign the SKG petition, while people in West Sahara live under Morocco’s unjust occupation?
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:::SKG is privileged western bullshit. It is a way to distract from real issues while feeling like you had an impact on something.
I just happen to have the foresight to know that 20 years from now it will sound stupid to brag that I helped change some obscure game development process for a tiny bit more convenience.
This is all absurd and a waste of time, but whatever makes people feel useful I guess.
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I think the limiting factor would be getting your number blocked. Maybe someone could get a bunch of VoIP numbers?
This is what spammers, scammers, identity thieves, 'pig-butcherers', credit collections do.
It absolutely works.
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Getting downvoted for wanting people to advocate for better living conditions, way to go .world!
.world is full of children who dont understand time yet. They think everything is final, and you just need to judge a thing once. They compile lists of who is out and who is in, and make memes appropriately. They kick out anyone who doesnt fit their group.
If someone can point out the difference between middle school and .world, I'd love to hear it because I can't think of one.
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Everyone has their path into activism and politicization. Last time this happened was when wikileaks got blocked by visa/mastercard, next time, with this experience it may be one of those causes.
Comparing blocking payment to wikileaks and blocking payment for porn video games is absurd. Is nuance dead?
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Nothing like a gaming platform that won't let you refund your purchases after 2 hours of playtime.
Better than no refunds?
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Nothing like a gaming platform that won't let you refund your purchases after 2 hours of playtime.
I think you are confused about this it works. Steam absolutely does refunds after 2 hours of playtime, it's just that if you have less than 2 hours it's mostly automated and you don't need a reason for the refund.
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I've never bought a porn game nor ever played one, but I just think it's stupid that such large companies fold to a lobby organization and start moderating the sale of products.
Christian fundamentalist activists are persistent and organized, and it's effective. I think it's bad how a small minority is able to dictate the lives of other people and I like how people get riled up because I hope it will remind the people in charge of those large corporations that catering to extremists is a bad decision.TLDR: Idgaf about the games, I just hate it when religious zealots dictate the lives of others.EDIT: I might have been wrong about "Collective Shout" and didn't look into it enough before forming an opinion.
EDIT 2: Yeah, I don't think "Incest Daughters BDSM" deserves saving. They seem to be primarily targeting rape and incest games, and I can definitely understand that you want to see rape games gone from if you're an organisation like this. Article
However, I still don't know how accurate their own article is, I might check out more sources/perspectives when I have time.EDIT 3: My initial assessment seems to be correct, a large amount of games are affected and the “policies” seem to be enforced with a disregard for accuracy. The organization also seems to be more extreme.
There's a solid argument that most of the porn games are some form of sexual abuse. You could argue that adults should be allowed to commit fake sexual abuse but its still likely not a positive for those who consume it.
Its interesting noone here has argued for porn games, just against censorship.
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Better than no refunds?
I'm looking for something a bit more reasonable. GOG lets you do it within 30 days regardless of playtime I think.
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This is not about the porn. If you think about it for more than 3 seconds it becomes obvious how this is about the power finance institutions have over morals and society and how religious groups leverage moral panics as a way to weasel in harm and destroy minorities by associating immorality with marginalized groups. Just like pro-life anti choice has nothing to do with saving children, but is about hurting women and controlling their uteruses. Terfism has nothing to do with feminism but is about hurting trans people. Drug wars weren't about protecting the youth but about destroying the rights of Hispanic and black communities. And a long list of etcéteras.
This is about defending fundamental rights that will get trampled under the guise of moral and religious righteousness. It's about power and control. Porn is just the scapegoat. Several LGBTQ+ games were also hit, many which didn't even have anything to do with sex, just because of this incident. That's how it begins and it was completely intentional, the cruelty is the point.
If these games are so important the devs can release them free somewhere else. Steam and itch aren't the only place to find games, and sounds like there's room for a new market just for these games if they are as popular as it seems.
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Couldn't you just buy it on GOG or something? Steam sucks anyway why expend the effort
You've missed the point entirely.
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I think you are confused about this it works. Steam absolutely does refunds after 2 hours of playtime, it's just that if you have less than 2 hours it's mostly automated and you don't need a reason for the refund.
Still, that gives them the discretion to turn you down.
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Well considering GOP reps are getting 500:1 call ratio on the Epstein files people DO care this much.
It’s possible to care about multiple things at once.
People care far more about the epstein files, its absurd to compare the two.
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I love how facts are just rendered to perspectives now.
I could not have worded it any more succinctly. This is what capitalism + the internet has done to us.
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Because Visa and MasterCard might actually change their minds. They are a business and they don't want this shit if it becomes more annoying to deal with gamers than it is to deal with random whiny Australians they'll reverse their decision.
Trump on the other hand is made of his mind and that's the end of it. Obviously you should still continue to complain because it's hilarious how upset he gets about it, but that list is never seeing the light of day until he's out of office, one way or another.
I'd just like to point out that you seem opposed to activists bombarding a company to change its policy, but are fighting this by gathering activists to bombard a company to change its policy.
What's changing here?
