Is Matrix cooked?
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I self host matrix. Should anyone who’s not on the foundation’s home server care? Do these changes affect anyone else?
AFAIK it only affects the matrix.org server.
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SimpleX Chat – Many suggested this and I will explicitly recommend against it due to the founder's positions on various topics. This includes being anti-vaxx, believing COVID-19 was a hoax, trans- and homophobia, climate denial; In the SimpleX Groupchat he's also been seen basically bootlicking trump a couple times, but I've lost receipts to that
Unrelated to the main points I kind of always thought SimpleX seemed sketchy...
Also there are not many competitors to Matrix. Just XMPP for the most part.
SimpleX and Signal are not good at supporting chat rooms with large amounts of people. Telegram does it okay but isn’t decentralized. -
I self host matrix. Should anyone who’s not on the foundation’s home server care? Do these changes affect anyone else?
It doesn't affect you in the slightest, other than it might further fund Synapse's/the spec's development meaning your server might get new features.
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While I understand the need for them to maintain a steady income, all I can think of is Discord’s Nitro when I think of this upcoming Premium account offering.
Except the premium offering pretty much just relates to media upload limit. I'm honestly surprised that they even allowed people to upload as much as they do.
Makes sense to limit free users (will also help with spam) if they're not drowning in VC money.
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The author responded to this response. You can see that here.
matrix is cooked
Those are the contents of a post I recently made, but really that and even the replies I made are not the full story Truth is, to get ri...
alexia's blog (blog.cyrneko.eu)
(This looks the same until you scroll down; you linked to a differen,t older version of the site that did not update the linked post)
The response is less of a response, more of an explanation of their current feelings pertaining to matrix. Seems odd when Matthew made some clear, individual points that could've been addressed.
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Why would you think a chat app has full write access to your disk?
Because any programs have that access??
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The author responded to this response. You can see that here.
matrix is cooked
Those are the contents of a post I recently made, but really that and even the replies I made are not the full story Truth is, to get ri...
alexia's blog (blog.cyrneko.eu)
(This looks the same until you scroll down; you linked to a differen,t older version of the site that did not update the linked post)
@WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works please update your link
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Because any programs have that access??
Again, no.
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Because any programs have that access??
Not sure what platform you're on but on Linux flatpak can limit access to files, and things like AppArmor can do that for any native app as well (though it can be pretty tedious to configure)
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Again, no.
how are programs denied that access? how is it that they can't do that?
with the computers that I know, if I download a program, that'll be able to read, and also modify all the files that I have access to. this includes the ability to read the saved passwords from my browser, and to install browser addons without my consent or knowledge.
what makes it so that it cannot happen on mainstream desktop computers?
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Not sure what platform you're on but on Linux flatpak can limit access to files, and things like AppArmor can do that for any native app as well (though it can be pretty tedious to configure)
on linux. flatpak. now, how mainstream is that setup exactly? are you saying that the issue I brought up does not apply to most of the people on the internet?
it does not matter what platform I'm on. what matters is what do most people use. in the world where I live, most people use the windows operating system. there is no such protection at all. except when accounting for sandboxie and other obscure programs virtually no one knows about
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how are programs denied that access? how is it that they can't do that?
with the computers that I know, if I download a program, that'll be able to read, and also modify all the files that I have access to. this includes the ability to read the saved passwords from my browser, and to install browser addons without my consent or knowledge.
what makes it so that it cannot happen on mainstream desktop computers?
how are programs denied that access? how is it that they can't do that?
Apps are typically given their own dedicated storage volume, and access to any other part of the filesystem requires permission from the user.
this includes the ability to read the saved passwords from my browser, and to install browser addons without my consent or knowledge.
WTF kind of computers are you using?
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how are programs denied that access? how is it that they can't do that?
Apps are typically given their own dedicated storage volume, and access to any other part of the filesystem requires permission from the user.
this includes the ability to read the saved passwords from my browser, and to install browser addons without my consent or knowledge.
WTF kind of computers are you using?
Apps are typically given their own dedicated storage volume, and access to any other part of the filesystem requires permission from the user.
uh, no? on smartphones, yes, but not on computers.
and even on smartphones. the chat app does have access to your messages, as I originally said
WTF kind of computers are you using?
desktop.. computers? you probably heard about operating systems, like windows, and linux..
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Apps are typically given their own dedicated storage volume, and access to any other part of the filesystem requires permission from the user.
uh, no? on smartphones, yes, but not on computers.
and even on smartphones. the chat app does have access to your messages, as I originally said
WTF kind of computers are you using?
desktop.. computers? you probably heard about operating systems, like windows, and linux..
uh, no?
Uh, yes.
the chat app does have access to your messages, as I originally said
What you originally said was gibberish, but I digress. The chat app is open source, so you can evaluate what it's doing with those messages for yourself.
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Apps are typically given their own dedicated storage volume, and access to any other part of the filesystem requires permission from the user.
uh, no? on smartphones, yes, but not on computers.
and even on smartphones. the chat app does have access to your messages, as I originally said
WTF kind of computers are you using?
desktop.. computers? you probably heard about operating systems, like windows, and linux..
uh, no? on smartphones, yes, but not on computers.
That's not true. Most operating systems at least have filesystem permissions, and on a lot of Linux distros you additionally get AppArmor or PolKit to further restrict what files a program can read/write.
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on linux. flatpak. now, how mainstream is that setup exactly? are you saying that the issue I brought up does not apply to most of the people on the internet?
it does not matter what platform I'm on. what matters is what do most people use. in the world where I live, most people use the windows operating system. there is no such protection at all. except when accounting for sandboxie and other obscure programs virtually no one knows about
I mentioned Linux specifically because something like this is the hardest to set up on Linux. I (wrongly) assumed that since you were complaining about it not existing, you were on a platform where setting these permissions up isn't straightforward. App-specific file-acess permissions are on MacOS out of the box as a configurable setting for all applications (in the system settings menu), and I'm pretty sure Windows 10/11 has something similar in its settings menu as well.
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Also, if we're being pedantic, this is also a setting on both Android and iOS, with Android displaying the option to change access pretty much every time you pick out a file. -
Matrix has always been way too bulky for being a simple messenger. Imo their architecture was cooked from the start.
But its not a simple messenger though. If you want something simple, IRC is always available for use.
