You need to properly detect that they're bots first and then they'll just figure out how to spoof that. Then you're back to square one.

Abstractly, POW doesn't need to determine if you're a bot or not. To make a request, as a human or bot, you need to pay in cpu-time. The hope is that the cost is not so high that a human notices very much but for a bot trying to hoover up data as fast as possible, the aggregate cost is high.

I think the more horrifying aspect is that they'll just build ever bigger datacenters to crunch POW tests faster and the carbon cost will skyrocket even more.

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There once was a dream of the semantic web, also known as web2. The semantic web could have enabled easy to ingest information of webpages, removing soo much of the computation required to get the information. Thus preventing much of the AI crawling cpu overhead.

What we got as web2 instead was social media. Destroying facts and making people depressed at a newer before seen rate.

Web3 was about enabling us to securely transfer value between people digitally and without middlemen.

What crypto gave us was fraud, expensive jpgs and scams. The term web is now even so eroded that it has lost much of its meaning. The information age gave way for the misinformation age, where everything is fake.

Eventually we'll have "defensive" and "offensive" llm's managing all kinds of electronic warfare automatically, effectively nullifying each other.

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Anubis isn't supposed to be hard to avoid, but expensive to avoid. Not really surprised that a big company might be willing to throw a bunch of cash at it.

Yeah but ai companies are losing money so in the long run Anubis seems like it should eventually return to working.

What the alternative?

Except previously bombarding another person's server for personal gain was illegal.

the old fashioned way.

A whole swath of trained toads using a special made tube network?

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Can there be a challenge that actually does some maliciously useful compute? Like make their crawlers mine bitcoin or something.

Web3 was about enabling us to securely transfer value between people digitally and without middlemen.

It's ironic that the middlemen showed up anyway and busted all the security of those transfers

You want some bipcoin to buy weed drugs on the slip road? Don't bother figuring out how to set up that wallet shit, come to our nifty token exchange where you can buy and sell all kinds of bipcoins

oh btw every government on the planet showed up and dug through our insecure records. hope you weren't actually buying shroom drugs on the slip rod

also we got hacked, you lost all your bipcoins sorry

At least, that's my recollection of events. I was getting my illegal narcotics the old fashioned way.

Did you just say use the words "useful" and "bitcoin" in the same sentence? o_O

There once was a dream of the semantic web, also known as web2. The semantic web could have enabled easy to ingest information of webpages, removing soo much of the computation required to get the information. Thus preventing much of the AI crawling cpu overhead.

What we got as web2 instead was social media. Destroying facts and making people depressed at a newer before seen rate.

Web3 was about enabling us to securely transfer value between people digitally and without middlemen.

What crypto gave us was fraud, expensive jpgs and scams. The term web is now even so eroded that it has lost much of its meaning. The information age gave way for the misinformation age, where everything is fake.

Can there be a challenge that actually does some maliciously useful compute? Like make their crawlers mine bitcoin or something.

I mean, we really have to ask ourselves - as a civilization - whether human collaboration is more important than AI data harvesting.

No, it's expensive to comply (at a massive scale), but easy to avoid. Just change the user agent. There's even a dedicated extension for bypassing Anubis.

Even then AI servers have plenty of compute, it realistically doesn’t cost much. Maybe like a thousandth of a cent per solve? They're spending billions on GPU power, they don't care.

I've been saying this since day 1 of Anubis but nobody wants to hear it.

There once was a dream of the semantic web, also known as web2. The semantic web could have enabled easy to ingest information of webpages, removing soo much of the computation required to get the information. Thus preventing much of the AI crawling cpu overhead.

What we got as web2 instead was social media. Destroying facts and making people depressed at a newer before seen rate.

Web3 was about enabling us to securely transfer value between people digitally and without middlemen.

What crypto gave us was fraud, expensive jpgs and scams. The term web is now even so eroded that it has lost much of its meaning. The information age gave way for the misinformation age, where everything is fake.

Costs of solving PoW for Anubis is absolutely not a factor in any AI companies budget. Just the costs of answering one question is millions of times more expensive than running sha256sum for Anubis.

Just in case you're being glib and mean the businesses will go under regardless of Anubis: most of these are coming from China. China absolutely will keep running these companies at a loss for the sake of strategic development.