Watch that stock price fall... wheeeee

Was it? I didn't read a single hint of adding accountability in the article.

But that begs the question: shouldn't accountability be in place now, and not maybe at some point in the distant future? They are already on the road.

Not the article, the post from njordamir that you were directly replying to.

shouldn't accountability be in place now,

Again literally what that user was suggesting

Wow that turn signal sound is annoying. Why does it even need to make a sound in a car that’s supposed to be driving itself?

You seem to have missed the point. Whether or not you think that would be an easy job, the whole reason you'd be there is to be the one that takes all the blame when the autopilot kills someone. It will be your name, your face, every single record of your past mistakes getting blasted on the news and in court because Elon's shitty vanity project finally killed a real child instead of a test dummy. You'll be the one having to explain to a grieving family just how hard it is to actually pay complete attention every moment of every day, when all you've had to do before is just sit there.

Hooray! I feel so safe. I think I'll move to Texas so I can get obliterated by this taxi from the future.

They turned the empathy dial to 5%. Works great, right?

Sounds like the indian guy driving it with a joystick was a bit hungover. You'd think they'd screen that thing at the entrance of the cubicle farm where all these AI folk drive these from. AI is just "anonymous indians" for elmo's grifting kind.

I never did say it wouldn't ever be possible. Just that it will take a long time to reach par with humans. Driving is culturally specific, even. The way rules are followed and practiced is often regionally different. Theres more than just the mechanical act itself.

The ethics of putting automation in control of potentially life threatening machines is also relevant. With humans we can attribute cause and attempted improvement, with automation its different.

I just don't see a need for this at all. I think investing in public transportation more than reproduces all the benefits of automated cars without nearly as many of the dangers and risks.

Exactly. Bring back trams, build less suburbs, better apartment housing. If we want a society reorganized around accessibility then let's actually build that.

Important feedback for the passenger to ensure the car is actually following the rules. I would freak out at a corner if I couldn't tell the car was signaling.

What's crazy is that the safety driver's hair has gone completely grey in just two days.

Ah, Ok.

I agree with accountability, but not with the point system. That's almost like a "three strikes" rule for drunk drivers.

That's not really accountability, that's handing out free passes.

That wasn’t FSD. In the crash report it shows FSD wasn’t enabled. The driver applied a torque to the steering wheel and disengaged it. They were probably reaching into the back seat while “supervising”.

Driving is culturally specific, even. The way rules are followed and practiced is often regionally different

This is one of the problems driving automation solves trivially when applied at scale. Machines will follow the same rules regardless of where they are which is better for everyone

The ethics of putting automation in control of potentially life threatening machines is also relevant

You'd shit yourself if you knew how many life threatening machines are already controlled by computers far simpler than anything in a self driving car. Industrially, we have learned the lesson that computers, even ones running on extremely simple logic, just completely outclass humans on safety because they do the same thing every time. There are giant chemical manufacturing facilities that are run by a couple guys in a control room that watch a screen because 99% of it is already automated. I'm talking thousands of gallons an hour of hazardous, poisonous, flammable materials running through a system run on 20 year old computers. Water chemical additions at your local water treatment plant that could kill thousands of people if done wrong, all controlled by machines because we know they're more reliable than humans

With humans we can attribute cause and attempted improvement, with automation its different.

A machine can't drink a handle of vodka and get behind the wheel, nor can it drive home sobbing after a rough breakup and be unable to process information properly. You can also update all of them all at once instead of dealing with PSA canpaigns telling people not to do something that got someone killed. Self driving car makes a mistake? You don't have to guess what was going through its head, it has a log. Figure out how to fix it? Guess what, they're all fixed with the same software update. If a human makes that mistake, thousands of people will keep making that same mistake until cars or roads are redesigned and those changes have a way to filter through all of society.

I just don't see a need for this at all. I think investing in public transportation more than reproduces all the benefits of automated cars without nearly as many of the dangers and risks.

This is a valid point, but this doesn't have to be either/or. Cars have a great utility even in a system with public transit. People and freight have to get from the rail station or port to wherever they need to go somehow, even in a utopia with a perfect public transit system. We can do both, we're just choosing not to in America, and it's not like self driving cars are intrinsically opposed to public transit just by existing.

This but unironically. If this is the worst thing that happened on launch day then that seems pretty successful to me. This is the worst version of the robo taxi we will ever see.

Navigation issue / hesitation

The video really understates the level of fuck up that the car did there...

And the guy sitting there just casually being ok with the car ignoring the forced left going straight into oncoming lanes and flipping the steering wheel all over the place because it has no idea what the hell just happened... I would not be just chilling there..

Of course, I wouldn't have gotten in this car in the first place, and I know they cherry picked some hard core Tesla fans to be allowed to ride at all...

Which brings up an interesting question, when is a driverless car 'parked' vs. 'stopped'?

That safety driver did not give a single fuck about driving on the wrong side of the road..

Keep in mind this is a system with millions of miles under it's belt and it still doesn't understand what to do with a forced left turn lane in a very short trip in a fairly controlled environment with supremely good visual, road, and traffic conditions. LIDAR wouldn't have helped the car here, there was no "whoops, confusining visibility", it just completely screwed up and ignored the road markings.

It's been in this state for years now, of being surprisingly capable, yet horrible screw ups being noted frequently. They seem to be like 95% of the way there and stuck, with no progress in reality just some willfull denial convincing them to move forward anyway.