This is like one of those cases where I'm kind of hoping they both lose somehow. Neither party are right in this case, Reddit is trying to claim copyright over content they have no rights to, and anthropic shouldn't be violating copyright without a licence.

But apparently you are actually allowed to violate copyright without a licence if you're an AI company because apparently llms are the future? So I guess Reddit are going to lose, which will be funny.

Only 100,000 times? Shit, do I need to be worried about getting sued too?

So Reddit serves free data but Anthropic took too much?

I can't believe you beat me to this. Well done.

Obviously Reddit isn't averse to bots scraping the site for data, just ones that aren't paying them. I'm regretting not going through and systematically deleting all my posts and comments before deleting my account, but I thought that happened automatically.

Is it violating copyright to browse the web?

Do you really believe they don't have backups? Especially since it seems selling content for AI training was their plan for quite a while?

Or that they didn't make full backups a couple years ago before the protest, anticipating a lot of users would try to delete their comments?

I think the only way to truly delete anything from reddit would be living in EU and enforcing a GDPR request, but even in that case, I believe it would be very difficult to check they actually comply.

Because that's the only common sense conclusion to make, but that doesnt make rich fucks more money

Not quite.

Generally, sites aren't liable for user generated content as long as they follow some rules. They need to take down illegal content and provide some way of reporting such content. In the US, that's the whole DMCA takedown thing. The whole content ID thing, that YouTube does, might not be strictly necessary, but it was rolled out in response to a high-stakes lawsuit. The EU is, as always, more strict in these matters.

People are not punished for things beyond their control (but mind that a fine is not the same as damages). If you are sent illegal content, that you have not requested, you shouldn't expect formal punishment, though the investigation may be punishing in itself. If you simply don't know how caching works, you're probably in trouble.

But this was about copyright. I don't think you get punished anywhere for holding some copyright. Say some Japanese Manga artist travels to some European state where some of their works are illegal. They're not going to get arrested for that. Anyone who brings such illegal works into the country will not be so lucky, regardless of copyright.